Haha. I said the UK has been heavily involved in wars. Bombing and sending in troops or SAS elite troops from a professional full time army and Air Force is being heavily involved by most people’s standards.
I am not white washing German history. Germany is peaceful country for several reasons. The allies did the opposite to the Versailles treaty. Instead of forcing Germany to pay massive damages, they gave them the Marshall Plan ( as with the U.K. ) and tried to get Germany back on it’s feet. Including in the from the UK occupied region. E.g. the U.K. started the Hanover Industrie Fair in 1948.
They took their toys off them and sunk their fleet of warships. The USA ( and the Russians ) took the leading scientists such as Von Braun, and also some ex Gestapo or SS members. Work that out.
The French and Germans were behind the start of trading treaties in coal and steel, the things you need to go to war. By sharing the trade you are both in control. That evolved into the EU, the end of internal borders through Schengen and the ability to live, trade and work throughout Europe. There is no intention to create a situation where a war breaks out. A fantastic achievement.
One reason Germany had a written constitution given to it to prevent going to war in effect, was to make sure there were enough hurdles in it to prevent future wars.
The reason why there were hundreds of thousands of troops in Germany at times during the post war period, was not to stop Germany building up an army, as that was stopped by the constitution and it didn’t have an army capable of war or atom bombs, was to stop the spread of communism. Germany was used as the front line to keep people like yourself safe from communism.
The EU is a great project to keep Europe together in the face of a changing world. You should’nt knock it.
We were lazy and careless, propped ourselves up with a captive market of an empire.Britain wrote Germany's modern constitution didn't it? I think the 'losing' the war ultimately worked out a lot better for them than our 'victory' did for us.
We were lazy and careless, propped ourselves up with a captive market of an empire.
And held on to past dreams that we were stronger than we were, ignoring the reality and pursuing a suicidal lone furrow for too many years...
Britain wrote Germany's modern constitution didn't it? I think the 'losing' the war ultimately worked out a lot better for them than our 'victory' did for us.
Maybe, but that’s forgetting what we have also given the world. I also think as a nation we are one of the most generous
Maybe, but that’s forgetting what we have also given the world. I also think as a nation we are one of the most generous
What's that got to do with our economic decline relative to Germany after the war?Generosity wise, just look at the charity work and donations by the public at large, the foreign aid budget, the military support we provide to countries around the world (that we could potentially just ignore and leave alone).
It’s easy to do this country down but sometimes people forget what have done and continue to do. Not all I/everyone will agree with but by enlarge it is done for the greater good and often not always for our direct benefit.
Generosity wise, just look at the charity work and donations by the public at large, the foreign aid budget, the military support we provide to countries around the world (that we could potentially just ignore and leave alone).
It’s easy to do this country down but sometimes people forget what have done and continue to do. Not all I/everyone will agree with but by enlarge it is done for the greater good and often not always for our direct benefit.
What's that got to do with our economic decline relative to Germany after the war?
As a percentage of GDP our foreign aid isn’t that high and is mainly focussed on things that will benefit us in the long run.
A lot of the military aid is the same, it’s an economic or influence decision although there has been some great disaster relief work.
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There’s no arguing with some people who would prefer to do the country down. I’ll let you have a look on wiki about international aid (remember we contribute via the EU as well). In addition have a look at charitable donations per country.
Sorry Deleted member 5849, it’s gone off at a bit of tangent...my bad !
What's that got to do with our economic decline relative to Germany after the war?
No I don’t. I just slagged off Trump for getting morons to chant send them back about him telling non aryans to leave his country if they don’t like it. The point is that they are Americans and do like America, but don’t like everything about the way it is run. Then the deflection turns to you try to slag the UK off.
I’m not disputing those schemes exist just that not all of it is out of generosity. This is well documented and I believe the foreign aid budget was going to be reviewed due to some of the issues.
It’s nothing to do with putting the country down it’s just realism.
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Most of it is. Some of it misguided maybe. I’m just trying to highlight the fact that whatever our faults, compared with a large number (majority) of countries we do our bit.
Ps It does need to be reviewed, that’s for certain. I’d have it more aligned to disaster assistance and investment in infrastructure projects in the poorest countries. If we don’t spend it one year, roll it into the next, don’t waste it.
Maybe, but that’s forgetting what we have also given the world. I also think as a nation we are one of the most generous
I’m not sure the colonies would agree. Take off the British rose tinted glasses and the country’s treatment of its colonies is brutal to say the least.
I’m not sure the colonies would agree. Take off the British rose tinted glasses and the country’s treatment of its colonies is brutal to say the least.
‘Is brutal’ ? Do you mean ‘was’ ?
Unfortunately, as I said in response to Marts comment earlier, I/we don’t have a time machine !
Also true. We’re only the wealthy country we are due to the empire.
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With the Trump rally with him using quotes to highlight how much the Congresswoman hated America resulting in the chanting:
There are numerous examples of Trump being critical of America, especially during the Obama era - would he be classified as 'hating America' especially by his fanbase? I dare say they'd argue that it's constructive criticism and how Donald wants the US to be even better. Why this Congresswoman isn't being constructive and instead just hates America for doing the same thing is anyone's guess (ok, you probably only need one)
I'd love to see a Daily Show piece whereby they get Trump supporters and give them a load of quotes critical of America from the likes of those Congresswomen, but add in some Trump quotes and ask them if the people saying these things hate America and should leave.
For the record Donald doesn't love America. If it stopped him doing what he wanted he'd turn against the place in a heartbeat.
It’s sixth form levels of debating
It’s boring, oddly we were not the only country to colonise others across the globe.
Are you going to accuse people of being Nazis again today?
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What an intelligent thought out statement.
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So how common was the wealth of the commonwealth? Which populations benefited from the spices we took from their country after we invaded and took over? Or gold and other precious metals? Or diamonds and other precious stones? Or oil? Or sugar? Or rubber? etc etc. How much were the slaves paid? What incentives were they offered to leave their homelands to go and work in other parts of the commonwealth?Whet an intelligent thought out statement
So how common was the wealth of the commonwealth? Which populations benefited from the spices we took from their country after we invaded and took over? Or gold and other precious metals? Or diamonds and other precious stones? Or oil? Or sugar? Or rubber? etc etc. How much were the slaves paid? What incentives were they offered to leave their homelands to go and work in other parts of the commonwealth?
It is boring and it’s not relevant - shall we blame the Norwegians for a Viking invasion as we never had it so good before then?
Well given that someone who throws the ooh you are racist I’d say that’s a pretty ironic comment
Ditto every other country across Europe - yawn
Ditto every other country across Europe - yawn
Nobody is blaming anyone for anything it’s just a reflection on the source of our wealth we are supposedly generous in giving away.
It can be acknowledged and spoken about without people getting all defensive.
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