skybluetony176
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“I’d love it if we could be like Norway”. “Lets be clear, no one is talking about leaving the single market”.
No deal 'only acceptable' Brexit, says Farage
No deal 'only acceptable' Brexit, says Farage
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (24 Viewers)
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Did he actually say that Tony ? (Pre referendum)
I have to say though he’s pissing me off. Does he want Brexit or not ?! He doesn’t appear to accept the fact that people in a sense voted for various forms of Brexit or that the country is approximately 50/50 even now. Therefore there should be some kind of compromise solution (Mays withdrawal agreement with the removal/replacement of backstop is probably as good as you’ll get)
This No Deal at all costs positioning is just plain wrong
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
There’s a mix tape of him saying he’d love it if we were like Norway on YouTube. It wasn’t even a passing comment, it’s something he said on a regular basis. The latter comment I couldn’t honestly say that I heard him say it although it was I believe UKIP’s official line through the referendum campaign, a point at which he was still leader.
The point is though that you’re apparently not allowed to change your mind. Unless you’re Ferage, I doubt he’ll get questioned too heavily on it though as he never seems to.
Astute
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When you voted remain what did you vote for? To me it was to remain in the EU. Keep to their rules and regulations. So what did those who voted to leave for? The question was in or out.
Of course there should be some kind of compromise. But would you like to point out who it is that doesn't want to compromise? It isn't the UK. I have said all along that I expect a last minute deal of some kind if it went this far.
This no deal positioning should have been done from the start if leaving was going to be the priority. But it wasn't under May. When looking for a deal in any walk of life you always start off asking for more than you want. Because a compromise is always needed in negotiations. How can you compromise when you start with what you need?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
I think he means a compromise internally between remain and leave.
If you think the EU is hard nosed just wait until negotiations with America start. Other countries will get as much as they can as they’ll know the UK will be in a distressed position.
Astute
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The so called May deal was all about compromise. And nobody wanted it. Not even yourself.
Hard nosed? No. They said what they wanted and expected it because of May. And they can afford to do it as they make the rules up as they go along. If they fail to get what they want they then have another two years to come to an agreement. But the thing that so many love to ignore is that so do we. The difference is that there is unity in the EU but it seems some would like to see us crash and burn so they can say told you so. While we don't have unity the EU still sees the chance of taking us to the cleaners.
The problem is in normal situations involving making a deal, not making a deal would result in keeping the status quo, which in this case would be remain, not burning your bridges like in no deal.
I keep hearing people say “you don’t tell a car salesman what car you want and that you’re going to leave with a car when buying a car” in what must be the stupidest analogy ever concocted. In this analogy no deal is the equivalent to refusing to pay the settlement of your finance agreement, leaving your previous car there and walking home in the rain.
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Also, you’ve bought into the Trump BS, geopolitics is not bartering for Knick knacks on holiday.
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Sick Boy
Super Moderator
How was May’s deal a compromise between 2 sides?
Majorly disagree, the EU holds way more cards than the UK, the only threat the UK has is no deal, which is a hell of a long way away from what we were initially told and it’s also going to be an act of self-harm.
How would unity make the UK stronger? It’s a busted argument that has been used to set the whole thing up as the fault of others by those who are responsible for where the UK is now (the likes of Johnson with no plan).
I voted Leave Astute. I think I’ve mentioned on here before I was sat on the fence right up to the final week/day but ultimately decided when reading up on the history of not implementing EU referendums, considering their behaviour towards Cameron (it was probably as much his fault as theirs but they both showed contempt towards genuine public concerns) and also my belief that every nation should have the ability to control their own borders (whether they actually bother is another question !!). Just to be clear this isn’t an anti immigration stance, this is a if 500k or 750k net turned up one or two years on the bounce, how would our infrastructure cope.
Sick boy is correct. I expected the leave and remain sides/MPs to come together with a compromise. What we’ve ended up with is ERG loonies on one side saying it’s got to be a No Deal, those who clearly don’t accept the result (this trying to avoid No deal is bullshit, they want to revoke article 50) on the other and Corbyn/McDonnell politicising it in the middle. It’s a disgrace !
If a deal can’t be reached by 31 Oct we should leave with No Deal. If the EU believed we would and also that a revised WA would get through Parliament, do I think there would be movement, definitely.
Do I think the continued attempts to extend/delay from the ‘Alliance’ and noises that ERG would vote it down anyway are encouraging the EU to sit still. Yes.
Our MPs have let us down. I’m pissed off that the EU are being difficult but it’s what I would expect and do myself if I was them. It is their exit structure/sequencing which is also very much to blame for this mess though.
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Extraordinary. Whatever your view on Brexit surely suspending the commons is a reversion to a historic form of politics that belongs in the past. Disgusting.
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torchomatic
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Abolute cunts. How is this "taking back control"? Suspending Parliament in the name of restoring Parliamentary sovereignty.
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
The most anti-democratic act of a lifetime, utterly disgusting.
Presumably there will be huge riots at which point the government will try to use the police to subvert the people to their will. That’s the country we’re becoming.
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Grendel
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The ridiculous antics of Corbyn and the other hapless crew of remainers inevitable
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Autocratic government. This is an aftront to decomracy. Parliament should use every legal tool at its disposal to stop this shameful act.
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Nonsense - if the government doesn't want legislation that rules out no deal then it needs to use parliament to rule it out, not stop it being debated whatsoever
Grendel
Well-Known Member
The action has arisen due to the opposition parties trying to pass legislation which it itself is by our constitution undemocratic
The correct process is to bring the government down by a no confidence vote. They are attempting to get round procedure and protocol as they know they will not win the vote
I might be wrong (and certainly not trying to defend it) however I presume that if there was no deal by the end of the suspension ie 14 Oct Parliament could still try to seek to stop us leaving on 31 Oct ?
I wonder if it’s an attempt to give Johnson until 14 Oct to agree a deal and focus EUs minds.
I wonder if it’s an attempt to give Johnson until 14 Oct to agree a deal and focus EUs minds.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
I'm certainly no fan of Corbyn, but at least he has reached out to Parliament. Those Tory rebels and others need to swallow their pride and back him to stop No Deal. It will be an absolute disaster for the UK.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Haha, "legislation" and "undemocratic" in the same sentence.
Typical of Brexiteers. The EU are undemocratic apparently, but shutting down Parliament to get what they is want apparently isn't.
Grendel
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Governments pass legislation the proposal itself that was discussed yesterday is against the constitution
Grendel
Well-Known Member
This is our sovereign constitutional process
Grendel
Well-Known Member
He hasn’t - he needs to put a no confidence motion through and form a new government
I think the idea is there’s no time to stop it via any means. Power removed from the commons to fulfil a project dreamt up by a few wealthy elites because they want to siphon money from a trade deal with the states.
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torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Which is being shut down so No Deal can pass without Parliament "getting in the way". How democratic!
Not sure that’s who dreamt up ‘the project’
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
So much for voting leave to secure parliamentary democracy.
Have you any concept of the sacrifice that was required to establish the House of Commons and remove power from the monarchy.
You’re an embarrassment.
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Grendel
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The point is the proposed action by the opposition parties is against the constitution - the opposition have to put forward s no confidence motion on day one and bring the government down
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
Dont cry sweetheart, we've had 3 years of MPs going against its constituents wishes to try and get their own way...
It's about time quite frankly that somebody stood up and said fuck you.. No more
Dont like it.. Don't care
Grendel
Well-Known Member
The politicians have proved themselves not fit for any purpose.