The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (87 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And when did the 2nd Ref crew start calling for that? How successful were they?

The fact you keep ignoring is that Labour has the most complex voting demographic in the country. It was always going to be much harder for them to keep their voters happy. The strategy of trying to be in control of the narrative was the right one.

Well aware of Labour's problem in that regard, and for what it's worth I do think the 2nd ref shouts came too early. I think it was fair to allow the government to try and negotiate and make the process work-once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen then the right thing to do was bring it back to the people. Labour would have been weakened, not strengthened by another election

 

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[skybluetony176]

More likely that Farage will hoover them up

Don’t know. The Tories have been taken over by the BLUKIP ERG Brexit cult. I suspect that unless Ferage joins them I would think it would spell the end of Ferage.

 

[Grendel]

Well aware of Labour's problem in that regard, and for what it's worth I do think the 2nd ref shouts came too early. I think it was fair to allow the government to try and negotiate and make the process work-once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen then the right thing to do was bring it back to the people. Labour would have been weakened, not strengthened by another election

Corbyn rejected a fudged Eu deal which pretty much kept us in anyway in all but name. It never would have voted for any deal that may came up with.

All Corbyn wanted was his grubby paws on the keys to number 10

 

[skybluetony176]

Moderate tories surely need to jump ship

I have. Can’t see me ever voting Tory again, which has always been my default position. Said originally that I’d keep voting Tory in the council elections but they’ve blown that today as well.

 

[skybluetony176]

And then some.... centre politics is dead. Just ask the currently polling at 0% TIG....

Not sure you can take TIG’s polling statistics as proof but I get where you’re coming from.

 

[Grendel]

I have. Can’t see me ever voting Tory again, which has always been my default position. Said originally that I’d keep voting Tory in the council elections but they’ve blown that today as well.

Staying with UKIP now Tony?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Corbyn rejected a fudged Eu deal which pretty much kept us in anyway in all but name. It never would have voted for any deal that may came up with.

All Corbyn wanted was his grubby paws on the keys to number 10

Assuming that's true he has a lot in common with your fat blond hero

 

[skybluetony176]

Staying with UKIP now Tony?

Greens most likely, at least for the meantime.

Did you read your link and see why you’re wrong like I invited you too.

 

[Ian1779]

Well aware of Labour's problem in that regard, and for what it's worth I do think the 2nd ref shouts came too early. I think it was fair to allow the government to try and negotiate and make the process work-once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen then the right thing to do was bring it back to the people. Labour would have been weakened, not strengthened by another election

Then there was no way for it ever to go back to people. The Tories would never have allowed it, in fact the only way we’re talking about it being a possibility is because of Labour’s intervention.

 

[Sick Boy]

which pretty much kept us in anyway in all but name.

In what way?

Can't disagree about Corbyn though, he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO

 

[skybluetony176]

he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO

He needs a job in politics. All the right attributes

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

In what way?

Can't disagree about Corbyn though, he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO

He has and also surrounded himself with the wrong types, his shadow cabinet is a joke.

 

[Sick Boy]

He has and also surrounded himself with the wrong types, his shadow cabinet is a joke.

Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.

Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.

Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.

He openly writes racist articles and gets to be PM

 

[skybluetony176]

Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.

Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.

Don’t forget the pork pies over pork pies the other day.

 

[djr8369]

He openly writes racist articles and gets to be PM

We’re a nation succumbing to the will of billionaire oligarchs who have interfered in the democratic process and not been punished.

The struggle to get back to where we were pre Brexit will be long and hard.


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[Terry Gibson's perm]

Yet when Tories get figures wrong by billions it gets ignored and these people aren't considered a joke.

Even Johnson's kipper gaffe didn't really get picked up on.

I’m not saying they are any better either politics is in a shocking state all you need to do is look at the previous pm and the buffoon that is now running the show

 

[Sick Boy]

Don’t forget the pork pies over pork pies the other day.

wasn't aware of that one!

 

[skybluetony176]

wasn't aware of that one!

Which only confirms your original point.

 

[Grendel]

Greens most likely, at least for the meantime.

Did you read your link and see why you’re wrong like I invited you too.

Just been confirmed on Five Live Tony that Johnson can delay post October 31 Tony. It’s amazing you know more than Pinaar and Andrew Neil who also has said it. Shall I tweet Andrew and say there is a bloke called Skybluetony who knows more than him?

 

[Grendel]

wasn't aware of that one!

Pork pies sold to Iceland and Thailand which of course they were

 

[Ian1779]

In what way?

Can't disagree about Corbyn though, he too has put personl ambiton over the long-term future of the country, IMO

Pursuing a GE was the riskiest of all strategies especially for Labour and Corbyn. Tories would have pitched it as ‘those against the will of the people’ - it’s hardly personal ambition.

The long term future of the country went to shit the day the referendum was announced.

 

[Sick Boy]

Pursuing a GE was the riskiest of all strategies especially for Labour and Corbyn. Tories would have pitched it as ‘those against the will of the people’ - it’s hardly personal ambition.

The long term future of the country went to shit the day the referendum was announced.

I think Cameron believed he wouldn't win a majority and that the referendum promise would have been scraped during negotiations with the Lib Dems. It was shocking that there was no viable long-term plan if the vote had been to leave. Saying that, I don't believe there is a viable long term plan now either.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Pork pies sold to Iceland and Thailand which of course they were

He's using pork pies, shower heads and cauliflowers as bargaining tools. This is the best the clown can do?

 

[djr8369]

I think Cameron believed he wouldn't win a majority and that the referendum promise would have been scraped during negotiations with the Lib Dems. It was shocking that there was no viable long-term plan if the vote had been to leave. Saying that, I don't believe there is a viable long term plan now either.

If only somebody had thought ahead and it had been a two stage referendum - a vote on negotiating an exit deal and then a vote to go through with that or remain. This would have forced the no deal types to show their hands rather than pervert democracy.



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[Ian1779]

I think Cameron believed he wouldn't win a majority and that the referendum promise would have been scraped during negotiations with the Lib Dems. It was shocking that there was no viable long-term plan if the vote had been to leave. Saying that, I don't believe there is a viable long term plan now either.

Cameron got his majority because Labour were so bad at showing themselves as being any different to the Tories at that time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Cameron got his majority because Labour were so bad at showing themselves as being any different to the Tories at that time.

Hell yeah

 

[Ian1779]

Hell yeah

I read an article about him, it said he wanted to produce a manifesto not too dissimilar to Labour 2017 but was stopped/blocked/talked out of it by people like Leslie, Cooper, Burnham and others.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I read an article about him, it said he wanted to produce a manifesto not too dissimilar to Labour 2017 but was stopped/blocked/talked out of it by people like Leslie, Cooper, Burnham and others.

It doesn't surprise me but if the story's true it's probably just as well he didn't get in. The Mail's stuff on his dad was disgusting

 

[Ian1779]

It doesn't surprise me but if the story's true it's probably just as well he didn't get in. The Mail's stuff on his dad was disgusting

You have only have to look at that plinth - it’s nothingy bollocks.

 

[shmmeee]

I read an article about him, it said he wanted to produce a manifesto not too dissimilar to Labour 2017 but was stopped/blocked/talked out of it by people like Leslie, Cooper, Burnham and others.

If you listen to his podcast it’s pretty clear he’s a proper lefty.

 

[shmmeee]

By attempting to bring Leave and Remain together? Labour’s intransigence (although frustrating because it would never be supported by the media) was the way it should have been done from Day 1.

Too right!

50:50 vote is a mandate for a classic British fudge that leaves no one happy.

People’s biases are never clearer than when they criticise Corbyns Brexit policy. He’s shit at a lot but got that spot on. Sadly the country wants a zero sum game.

 

[djr8369]

Amazing that as the charlatans ride roughshod over democracy we’re critiquing a previous labour leader.


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[Ian1779]

If you listen to his podcast it’s pretty clear he’s a proper lefty.

I think that Corbyn would do well to bring him into his cabinet.

 

[Grappa]

You have only have to look at that plinth - it’s nothingy bollocks.

Come on, at least get the name right, it was the 'EdStone'. Fucking cringe. And they also got fined by the electoral commission for refusing to declare how much it cost.