Evo1883
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I disagree but I guess time will tell
I think this will lead to higher levels of engagement in politics.
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Consider all the diatribe after a 52% against 48%. Then try and get another over 50% with three choices. It could easily be that the most voted for would get less than 40%.Three options: CU, No Deal, Revoke
Rank them in order of preference. Done.
So would this be the so called May deal that nobody wants?We cannot agree a deal, Ireland and the EU are never going to stop the back stop and No Deal will be catastrophic for this country and will in all likelihood leave to the dissolution of the Union. That all all creates uncertainty and impacts on peoples lives and likely to make the country and people poorer.
That leaves only 1 credible option to remove all the uncertainty, and stabilise the economy and that's choose the Deal we currently have with EU and revoke Article 50.
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So what are my problems? Reiterating the main point of what is being spoken about?And you wonder why people say you have comprehension problems.
The EU will not kick us out. This has all been designed to keep us in. The so called May deal would have kept us in.So how will it all end?
Deal or No Deal?
Backstop or no backstop?
Remain in the EU?
Surely there can't be another delay or postponement?
That will just make the whole country a laughing stock.
I'm hoping we get to the deadline, the EU refuses any further delays and then just kicks us out.
And this is the problem that I have. But at least I have my family out of here and I will be joining them full time at 55.Whatever the eventuality is of this whole process, the damage that has been caused is irreversible.. The country won't ever be the same.
People won't vote, the levels of distrust will be absolutely mind-blowing, the faith in parliament and the government shattered.
For me I'm out, just getting on with my life... Work family work family work family then retire, that's me until the day I drop.
Fuck Westminster PUSB
Oddly my dad is of the opposite opinion and is doing his best to move the main body of his family from Holland to England!And this is the problem that I have. But at least I have my family out of here and I will be joining them full time at 55.
Anyone who actually reads my posts in an unbiased way will know that I am in agreement.I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that infact, brexit will never happen
It won't take a lot for there to be civil unrest because of the way this situation has been handled. Even lifelong friends are at each other's throats. I am going to fish from my garden or sit in the local square having a beer watching life go by. The locals welcome the brits as we keep their communities going. The French move away in search of work. Where we live is just about all French. But not the schools. The younger generation have moved away. So not many French children being born in the area.Oddly my dad is of the opposite opinion and is doing his best to move the main body of his family from Holland to England!
The EU will not kick us out. This has all been designed to keep us in. The so called May deal would have kept us in.
Surely there can't be another delay or postponement?
That will just make the whole country a laughing stock.
Would you like to explain how accepting the so called May deal would have taken us out of the EU?How would it keep the UK in the EU? Can you explain?
To who?I think we’ve already passed that point.
Consider all the diatribe after a 52% against 48%. Then try and get another over 50% with three choices. It could easily be that the most voted for would get less than 40%.
No, re-read it. Theres currently 3 optionsSo would this be the so called May deal that nobody wants?
Would you like to explain how accepting the so called May deal would have taken us out of the EU?
Under the so called agreement we would have been tied to the EU until they agreed that we could leave. Then they would have talked about a trade deal. The trade deal would most probably have kept us tied to them. And part of any trade deal with another European country also includes freedom of movement. We would also still have to pay for the privilege.
The problem is that people like yourself screamed wildly about the so called May deal. You didn't like the idea of possibly leaving the EU in name only. But in reality not a lot would have changed.
I think we’ve already passed that point.
So those that support corbyn and his stance to get an election from the mess we are in (whipping to vote against the WA that would’ve avoided all these No Deal arguments) what are your thoughts now ?!!
If he chooses to avoid a GE.....as I’ve said all along, politicising a matter as important as this....I hope he gets everything he deserves !
More times than Ken Clarke and Phillip Hammond did, put together.So we are ignoring the fact that the PM has literally just done the exact thing you are berating Corbyn for?
How many times did he reject the WA set out by his party? 2 out of 3 times?
All going as expected. Liars and cheats steal an advisory referendum. Politicians had promised to enact the result. Relatively moderate politicians try and find a way of enacting the result without damaging the country. Not possible without upsetting leavers. Predictably fail. Leavers take control. Attempt to crash the country to prove a point. Fail. Next stop GE followed by PV. Revoke article 50 and have a massive inquiry as to how this happened.
More times than Ken Clarke and Phillip Hammond did, put together.
The EU will not kick us out. This has all been designed to keep us in. The so called May deal would have kept us in.
The idea seems to keep us in the EU until we can finally start talking about a trade deal. Then the trade deal would keep us tied to the EU. My guess is that is one of the main reasons why the EU has said that hardly anything will change for 2 years after leaving. But for this to happen we must have some sort of deal.
How would it keep the UK in the EU? Can you explain?
No timescale on the backstop is there?
So we are ignoring the fact that the PM has literally just done the exact thing you are berating Corbyn for?
How many times did he reject the WA set out by his party? 2 out of 3 times?
It wouldn’t be a backstop with a timescale. Come on, you know this. Don’t regurgitate their talking points out of blind loyalty.
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Love it.No, re-read it. Theres currently 3 options
- No deal
- Mays Deal
- Current deal (I.e. revoke article 50 and stay in the EU)
Only 1 option removes uncertainty.
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The WA has no timescale on the backstop do with no solution does that not mean that in theory the uk could remain in the Eu in all but name for eternity?
This post shows you don't have a clue what is going on.This is a bit backwards. You can’t legally negotiate a trade deal while in, hence the withdrawal agreement. The two year transition period is part of the withdrawal agreement but you keep talking about it as if it’s something the EU have promised and it will safeguard against a no deal “cliff edge” but the transition period isn’t in place in the event of no deal.
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Best let him call a GE then.Boris bullshitted his way through a referendum, then bullshitted his way though a leadership campaign and now his hens are coming home to roost. Still, they can always blame those that didn’t vote leave and those Tory Party members that didn’t vote Boris in so nothing to do with us guv. This is what happens when people won’t take the ownership of the consequences of their vote, they lose control.
So you admit now that the alternative arrangements might not work? And it would only be in the customs union which was fine by most people during the campaign for the referendum.
Alternatively wait for technology to offer a solution or keep NI in the CU and put the border at see, which was also discussed and changed, by us (a concession).
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This post shows you don't have a clue what is going on.
Answer one question for once. If it couldn't keep us tied to the EU why weren't the leavers in favour of it?
Exactly.
No I don’t admit that - I don’t believe in the back stop full stop
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