Brighton Sky Blue
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Maybe we’ll get a full parliamentary term one day
I just saw that Johnson has failed to get a GE. It’s best to let him sit there and stew
It’s obvious Boris spent yesterday thinking of one liners against Corbyn rather than how to fix this shitstorm
We can add his insane pork pie pitch to the list after it was debunked by multiple people in the industry
Imagine Jeremy Corbyn running scared from a general election hahahahaha knows he’d stand no chance
I wonder if Boris will now finally take ownership of his legacy and actually seek a deal? The plan has failed, he needs a cunning plan. A plan as cunning as a fox who’s just been appointed professor of cunning at Oxford university. We’ll probably just end up with a slug balancing act.
It is completely different this time.. You and me both know it, he's fucked over Alot of Labour voters this time, tories generally won't go against their own, and a little hand shake with farage will see to it that they are finished
And you’re wondering why Labour are holding off at the moment. Get no-deal off the table and past 31st Oct and Farage will turn on Johnson and split Tory vote.
He could offer to peg the pound to pork pies and then offer Varadkar his private stash in exchange for no backstop
When I was a kid we had to take a stash of pork pies over to Ireland every time we visited as my uncles had got a taste for them while working in England as builders and at that time they wasn’t sold in Ireland. Unlike Boris my pork pie anecdote is factually accurate.
How to get back the Lib votes though?
Who do you vote for?
He wont because he will see it as the only chance to get the majority in parliament and they will have this bill revoted and scrapped, corbyn is in a bad situation now imo... irrespective of policy the country will revolt against Labour and the people who they believe have screwed them overAnd you’re wondering why Labour are holding off at the moment. Get no-deal off the table and past 31st Oct and Farage will turn on Johnson and split Tory vote.
I wonder if Boris will now finally take ownership of his legacy and actually seek a deal? The Cumming plan has failed, he needs a cunning plan. A plan as cunning as a fox who’s just been appointed professor of cunning at Oxford university. We’ll probably just end up with a slug balancing act.
This won’t be solved until somebody shows real leadership and unites the two sides. They need the balls to admit to the public Brexit isn’t easy or something we can bully and bluster our way through and that the only reasonable interpretation of the referendum is a soft Brexit.
Unfortunately the stances of May and Johnson and their indulgence of the ERG and Farage has made this job very difficult. Until it becomes about taking the most reasonably course of action for the country, rather than any individual party, we can’t progress.
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If Labour were to campaign and increase the turnout (especially with under 25’s) then they have a chance of negating those Leavers that feel betrayed (but equally were unlikely to have voted Labour in the first place).
I will agree that the Northern leave constituencies are a far bigger challenge - they have to push their domestic agenda, that it can deliver more than an EU exit could. These are places where London-centric policy and austerity have been felt the hardest. This won’t be forgotten either, and the chance for a better future could be a seller IF executed properly.
All today has done is hand power to Europe and weakened our position for a good deal, if ever there was one to be had anyway .
Opinion pieces?Because it would have taken the UK out of the EU. It would have left the European Union.
But carry on posting opinion pieces by the extreme Brexiteers to back up your points.
Of course they don't have to offer us anything to get us to stay. All they have to do is sit back and watch us self implode. Who expected this sham that is going on because I certainly didn't.You’ve gone on for ages about how the EU would be desperate to do a free trade deal with the UK, the backstop was designed to keep an open border if this was not achieved.
The EU was also open to other technological solutions, but guess what? The UK didn’t hasn’t come up with any.
Yet more misinformation.
May’s deal would have meant an end to Freedom of Movement but there would have been a transition period.
Unless you’re now claiming that the deal included keeping Freedom of Movement?
Unfortunately apart from remaining,it was probably your best chance of being able to move to France with your family in the short to medium term.
So that meant she did an amazing job? She was just like BJ. She couldn't get a single thing through. She didn't offer a single thing that had a chance of getting through parliament.I’ve just posted, the best is probably May’s deal meaning keeping FoM.
Unless you’re now opposed to any kind of deal, as this too would also include FoM.
You got it half right. Brexit won't be easy. There is no chance of us standing as one. But the problem is that it will be even harder to cancel it.This won’t be solved until somebody shows real leadership and unites the two sides. They need the balls to admit to the public Brexit isn’t easy or something we can bully and bluster our way through and that the only reasonable interpretation of the referendum is a soft Brexit.
Unfortunately the stances of May and Johnson and their indulgence of the ERG and Farage has made this job very difficult. Until it becomes about taking the most reasonably course of action for the country, rather than any individual party, we can’t progress.
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Most constituencies in England voted leave. Remain was mainly London and the south. Mainly Tory areas. The polls have all shown more willing to vote Tory since BJ took over and Corbyn went against everything. This doesn't look good for Labour. If it wasn't true Bliar wouldn't have been advising against going for a GE and Corbyn would have taken the chance.If Labour were to campaign and increase the turnout (especially with under 25’s) then they have a chance of negating those Leavers that feel betrayed (but equally were unlikely to have voted Labour in the first place).
I will agree that the Northern leave constituencies are a far bigger challenge - they have to push their domestic agenda, that it can deliver more than an EU exit could. These are places where London-centric policy and austerity have been felt the hardest. This won’t be forgotten either, and the chance for a better future could be a seller IF executed properly.
So that meant she did an amazing job? She was just like BJ. She couldn't get a single thing through. She didn't offer a single thing that had a chance of getting through parliament.
Opinion pieces?
FFS. Why don't you like the truth? This is me saying it. It is anyone who is being truthful that understands what is going on saying it. To be in a customs union would leave us tied to the EU. True or false.
Yes out of the EU. But tied to the EU. We couldn't make our own trade deals. Freedom of movement would remain. EU law would still rule us. Payments to the EU would continue. The only change would be we would lose the small say we presently have. So why leave and join the customs union?
In fact why do I bother with you. The only person who agrees with you here is the one who said May did an amazing job. And you agreed with him. Yet neither of you can say what she even did that was good. Just more bile from those who always try to twist the truth
Of course they don't have to offer us anything to get us to stay. All they have to do is sit back and watch us self implode. Who expected this sham that is going on because I certainly didn't.
And how are we supposed to have had a trade deal at the time the EU refuses to talk trade? But the truth doesn't matter to you.
The House of Lords has passed the bill then.
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So if I liked a post which included saying that BJ is doing an amazing job what would you say?I didn’t even say she did an amazing job.
Unless liking a post is now a full endorsement, apart from when it comes to yourself, of course.
As I keep saying and as you really know to be the truth everything would continue as it is now until the EU says we could leave. So as the EU doesn't want us to leave why would they say we can?It was an opinion piece by an extreme Brexiteer.
How would Freedom of Movement have continued with the May deal?
It wouldn’t have done.
It would have continued for a limited time and would then have finished. The same would happen under any deal, even with Johnson.
Unless you’re now seemingly opposed to a transition period as part of any deal?
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