That's a joke about Spain right?
Spain
GDP per capita: 25,831.58 USD (2015) World Bank
Unemployment rate: 18.4% (Dec 2016) Eurostat
Gross domestic product: 1.199 trillion USD (2015) World Bank
Minimum wage: 825.65 EUR per month (Jan 2017) Eurostat
Government debt: 99.8% of GDP (2015) Eurostat
GDP growth rate: 3.2% annual change (2015) World Bank
UK
GDP per capita: 43,734.00 USD (2015) World Bank
Unemployment rate: 4.8% (Oct 2016) Eurostat
Gross domestic product: 2.849 trillion USD (2015) World Bank
Minimum wage: 1,396.90 EUR per month (Jan 2017) Eurostat
Government debt: 89.1% of GDP (2015) Eurostat
GDP growth rate: 2.3% annual change (2015) World Bank
which part of currently are people failing to grasp.
Not it's economy is in better shape, not it has a better economy, just it is currently performing better.
And those GDP projections for the UK are well out based on the latest information.
Yes...Brighton has an area called Kemptown where when I used to work the Brighton area (& "everyone who visits Brighton must surely be gay" attitude prevailed nationally at the time) had a population of about 15% gay, 20% junkie...& everyone else was just partying &/or leading a typical family lifeAn absolutely ridiculous post and sums you up pretty well.
What like TODAY you mean? That's coz they have lots of trade thanks to tourism whereas in the main we put our feet up at the weekend!which part of currently are people failing to grasp.
Not it's economy is in better shape, not it has a better economy, just it is currently performing better.
And those GDP projections for the UK are well out based on the latest information.
A country mile difference unless you are trying to defend the EU in every way you can.Out of interest how does that compare to the respective 2016 figures between the two countries?
A country mile difference unless you are trying to defend the EU in every way you can.
In what way is Greece better than the UK other than the weather and having a massive debt that they can't keep up with repayments on?I never said Greece was performing better than us, I said in some areas. Our wage contraction is worse than Greece for example.
Spain is currently performing better than us.
In what way is Greece better than the UK other than the weather and having a massive debt that they can't keep up with repayments on?
Who blames all of our woes on immigration?the debate wasn't about trying to defend the EU though was it?
It was about trying to blame immigration for the woes of the nation, you've let yourself get side tracked.
So what do they earn on average and what do we earn?wage contraction, ours is worse than theres. I think, and I could be wrong, that wage contraction in the UK is at it's worse ever, 3 quarters on the trot.
Who blames all of our woes on immigration?
What I do see is stupid claims that Spain and Greece are doing better than us. And the same people try to gloss over the faults of the EU.
There are good parts about the EU. Just like there are bad.
And now I have been informed that there is no such thing as racism if both are the same colour. What a joke.
And it isn't wage contraction here. It is wages going up slower than inflation. So what is inflation in Spain and Greece?
So what do they earn on average and what do we earn?
You would make a good politician with the way you can twist the truth.
Spains predicted growth is from a very low base. They have been in recession for many years. Yet you want everyone to see it as a good point for Spain and a bad point for us.Spains predicted growth is better than ours, whatever else you say that's true.
Can't find the report which said UK wage contraction worse than Greece so until I do then fair enough. we're 2nd worse, just ahead of Greece, what a proud boast!
There's a much bigger picture with the NHS than the pressure put on it by immigration line even if that may have been the case in your particular experience.
That is the very point. Try telling their unemployed that they are doing better than us. Without tourists from the UK they would be on a par with Greece. They earn much less than us. Their future prospects are massively lower than ours. Yet you are trying to make out that they are doing better than us :banghead:and so would you the way you go off topic when it suits.
Spains predicted growth is from a very low base. They have been in recession for many years. Yet you want everyone to see it as a good point for Spain and a bad point for us.
the original argument was regarding the effects of immigration on the NHS and the wider economy.
I used some examples of economies with greater immigration out performing us who have higher percentage immigration. You've chosen to move away from that topic and keep going on about Spain for some reason.
I stand by my assertion that the main reason the NHS is in crisis isn't because of immigration.
Maybe not but it doesn't help. The most interesting bit in this article is on the EU card
If the NHS needs more money, why not collect from health tourists? | The Spectator
So the millions of people who have come to live here have had no effect on the NHS?the original argument was regarding the effects of immigration on the NHS and the wider economy.
I used some examples of economies with greater immigration out performing us who have higher percentage immigration. You've chosen to move away from that topic and keep going on about Spain for some reason.
I stand by my assertion that the main reason the NHS is in crisis isn't because of immigration.
So the millions of people who have come to live here have had no effect on the NHS?
This is ridiculous, without migrants the NHS would collapse.
But that would be controlled migration whereby those who were considered as contributors would be granted access and those who didn't would not.
But that would be controlled migration whereby those who were considered as contributors would be granted access and those who didn't would not.
Out of interest how does that compare to the respective 2016 figures between the two countries?
Good luck with maintaining the same level over the next few years in the current climate. How would you address the ever inceasing shortage of nurses and midwives, especially over the last year?
There's plenty of bile on this thread about migrants on here an bizarrely mixing them up with refugees in some cases.
It hasn't.Facts like it has caused a housing shortage, shortage in hospital beds and that you can't get to see a doctor or dentist easily in many areas.
I don't have them, but it isn't like there has been an marked change in either is it! Spains unemployment rate will still be terrible compared the UK & the Spaniards will still be paid a lot less. They would have to perform better than the UK for decades to catch up, that won't happen.
It hasn't.
No it wouldn't - but without so much management hierarchy dogma it could thrive!This is ridiculous, without migrants the NHS would collapse.
There isn't a shortage of British Nurses. We just need to entice them back from Australia, NZ & USGood luck with maintaining the same level over the next few years in the current climate. How would you address the ever inceasing shortage of nurses and midwives, especially over the last year?
There's plenty of bile on this thread about migrants on here an bizarrely mixing them up with refugees in some cases.
It really hasn't. We're set to be an estimated one million homes short in the UK within a few years yet net migration in the UK stands at around 250K and falling so the maths simply don't back up the theory that immigration has caused a housing crisis. And that's before you consider many immigrants live in HMO's and many are here building homes so actually benefiting the housing stock. The problem is a lack of investment in house building.
Same arguments go for the NHS, immigrants are net contributors to the UK economy so therefore help fund the NHS and the NHS is full of immigrant workers working to bring down things like waiting lists. A lack of investment is again the real issue.
There isn't a shortage of British Nurses. We just need to entice them back from Australia, NZ & US
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