Brighton Sky Blue
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To be fair I’ve only written dissertations on the subject
I doubt there is a single person on here who is an expert on foreign schools but also wherever I look private schools do exist in the oh so marvellous Finland
To be fair I’ve only written dissertations on the subject
So are 3% in Finland educated privately in 85 private schools?
I didn’t claim that they have *no* private schools but it’s on nowhere near the scale of this country. Their approach to education is distinctly more egalitarian
Well it’s 3% of the population versus 7% - without looking at the movements in each country over the last 40 years say to form an opinion?
You mentioned Finland when I said labour are liking to abolish private schools and take ownership of private property. You said Finland. So did this happen in Finland?
It’s a proposal by delegates at conference and I don’t agree with it were it to become policy. But the awkward fact is that private education is a huge driver of inequality of opportunity while grammars aren’t far behind. Finnish schools have exceeded our own for years and it’s one of many developed countries doing a better job.
Would like to hear your opinion on genuine Tory policy of mass expansion of grammar schools-which would be happening now had May not fucked the 2017 election.
Clearly I’d have supported it
Even though research into the policy shows it would widen and entrench inequality and that grammars don’t deliver enhanced progress over comprehensives for the poorest?
As in yes house prices are up but interest rates are at record low rates and have been for many years. So houses are as affordable as they have been at most times you mention.
Define the poorest. There is also an obvious reason for that
Define the poorest. There is also an obvious reason for that
Will anyone benefit from such a system do you think?
Must say I’m delighted that Labour have finally clarified their position on Brexit today.
It’s hardly snappy, but not sure what other position people want them to take. You can’t go full Remain or full No Deal like the Libs and Tories, you can’t say Mays deal is shite and then ask people to vote for it or remain and you can’t say for sure your deal won’t be better than remain until it’s negotiated.
As much as I think it’s fucking stupid, no deal should be on any ballot, even though it’s just kicking the can down the road in terms of our future relationship and I want Brexit over with as quick as possible. But I agree that the only way forward now is a referendum on a final deal. Anything else will be seen as party political game playing.
Of course the question of whether your average Brexiter will trust Corbyn to negotiate a better deal is a different matter.
Out of interest, were there to be a referendum with no deal, remain and a deal what deal do you think it should be?
You'd have to have two questions otherwise the result will be meaningless.Don't think it can be. Brexiteers will say the leave vote has been split and remain given unfair advantage in a poll.
You'd have to have two questions otherwise the result will be meaningless.
You'd have leave or remain as the first question (if you're going to ask that question again) and then a second question for preference if we leave. Again there's a debate to be had as to how many options you have. Any deal or no deal or do you add in common market etc options.
Problem is if you give all the options you'd need alternative vote for method of leaving and you're in to the territory of making the whole ballot too complicated.
How certain would you be that everyone voting had a grasp on all the different options?
It’s hardly snappy, but not sure what other position people want them to take. You can’t go full Remain or full No Deal like the Libs and Tories, you can’t say Mays deal is shite and then ask people to vote for it or remain and you can’t say for sure your deal won’t be better than remain until it’s negotiated.
As much as I think it’s fucking stupid, no deal should be on any ballot, even though it’s just kicking the can down the road in terms of our future relationship and I want Brexit over with as quick as possible. But I agree that the only way forward now is a referendum on a final deal. Anything else will be seen as party political game playing.
Of course the question of whether your average Brexiter will trust Corbyn to negotiate a better deal is a different matter.
Out of interest, were there to be a referendum with no deal, remain and a deal what deal do you think it should be?
You'd have to have two questions otherwise the result will be meaningless.
You'd have leave or remain as the first question (if you're going to ask that question again) and then a second question for preference if we leave. Again there's a debate to be had as to how many options you have. Any deal or no deal or do you add in common market etc options.
Problem is if you give all the options you'd need alternative vote for method of leaving and you're in to the territory of making the whole ballot too complicated.
How certain would you be that everyone voting had a grasp on all the different options?
The party attempting to find a way to unite the entrenched positions is somehow lunatic...
We’re fucked.
Don't think it can be. Brexiteers will say the leave vote has been split and remain given unfair advantage in a poll.
Infidel.
It’s more hope than expectation, but you’d have thought there’s a silent majority for compromise, surely?
Some form of ranking system avoids this. We could have solved this in Parliament in and afternoon with a run off vote from MPs, but they’re all pussies and don’t want to risk their votes.
The one thing for certain would be that the losing side would blame it on the complexities of the vote.How certain would you be that everyone voting had a grasp on all the different options?
You’d hope so...
The PV supporters have pretty much been guaranteed another chance at a vote... but they’re still not happy. Makes you wonder if they ever will be until it’s remain vs remain as the 2 options.
The paranoid crazy one?We all know which of those three options half the posters in this thread support.
How would it...or not.
In normal circumstances, this would be the end of the PM, wouldn't it?
...or not.
In normal circumstances, this would be the end of the PM, wouldn't it?
How would it
You have to ask how?!?How would it
How would it
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