The manifesto had full attempts at costings which is more than can be said for the Tory equivalent. Yet you have nothing to say about a £15 billion bridge because you wouldn’t use it. Bizarre. Porky has also inflicted further damage on the pound which only recovers when No Deal seems less likely. I can only think if you were American you’d be railing against people not being charged to see the doctor.
Top of the list would be revoking HS2-a hopelessly over budget vanity project. Right up Porky’s street
I said that every party will have a manifesto and within the manifesto will be a policy intent on Europe
Even if a referendum happens before it will be a skewed referendum
I am guessing 5 political parties will have leave the Eu regardless of any prior referendum
Oh and I think one very major party will fix the Supreme Court issue in their manifesto as well
You also said that the entire general election would be fought on the basis of that one policy. I literally quoted you.
There is no evidence a referendum would be skewed because we have no idea what the question would be.
Yes, let's solve that pesky problem of an independent judiciary. I assume you'd be saying the Supreme Court needed to be fixed if it'd ruled for Alexander?
Keep to the truth.
I am not scared of anything. I just don't think there should be another referendum. Us leaving will cause me problems. It is causing me plenty already. But another referendum will make things worse. It won't solve anything. I couldn't even see it resolving anything if the vote was leave again. People like yourself will just continue to protest. And you seem to think it would all go smoothly if brexit was stopped.
If course it would be fought on that basis
If it’s not skewed I.e Is yes or no again the election will then be on how each party deals with that. One has said it would ignore the referendum anyway.
No one is even remotely proposing that anyway so it’s never going to happen. It would be one deal against remain
Again if an election followed that Brexit would be the dominant consideration
The Supreme Court and Bercow have over ridden parliamentary democracy - it’s a stupid system invented by Blair and his dumbass flat mate and we need to close it down - and I suspect Corbyn will believe that as well
I disagree another referendum wouldn't necessarily make things worse. It would all depend on how it was worded.
The problems we're now facing are predominantly due to two things.
1. It was never a legally binding referendum
2. Ambiguity over what Leave meant with a huge multitude of options touted but none chosen, so people could just choose the one they liked and assumed that was what was going to happen even though they had no assurances.
A second referendum could fix both those issues but making it clear it's No Deal leave versus Remain and making it legally binding.
I'm not saying it would see the problem cease. If the 2016 result was confirmed there would of course still be a vocal minority of those favouring remain. Similarly with Leave there would be those who'd very loudly argue against the new result. But the process of what we were doing and how we were doing it would be clear and anyone in Parliament (where it matters most in terms of process) who tried to stop it could legitimately be called undemocratic.
Well clearly no it isn’t
I wasn’t aware most people wanted:
£31 billion of their pensions eradicated
£7 billion extra burden on schools
Higher inflation through union increased lower
£11 billion at least spent on nationalisation of businesses
Loss of stock market confidence
Must have missed that “survey” dude
It didn’t and it’s been widely ridiculed, oh and much of the cost is a consequence such increased inflation, crashing pension values and higher rates of interest - oddly they are not going to be costed it’s a residual impact
A bridge is in the manifesto? Must have missed that one.
HS2 is already under a huge contract and much of the cost will be committed
Porky wants it built-do you deny that? HS2 is a colossal waste of money spearheaded by the Tories. Again, you obfuscate rather than admit the mistake.
So what's to stop the government passing an Act specifically saying that the result would be legally binding? Nothing. They can do that if they want. Whether they would choose to is another issue entirely.
Of course the Tories could put that in their manifesto. But let's face it, if Remain won a 2nd ref Brexit would go on a pledge of doing Brexit, no new referendum (in case they lost it) so the hardcore leavers would go there. If Tories went 3rd referendum they'd lose votes to Brexit and potentially hand the election to Labour. To prevent that they could copy the Brexit stance but that would be not be popular with Remainers within the party and also be seem as undemocratic and lose them votes from others.
Exactly. But on here I am not allowed to say so. It frequently seems that only one point is allowed and that is stopping Brexit and ways of stopping Brexit. Hardly any thought goes into what would happen if it is stopped. And if someone like myself mentions it you get nothing but grief.I don’t think there’s anyone who expects it to go smoothly if Brexit were to be stopped. It’s going to impact the country for decades to come.
It’s not in a manifesto - the end
Exactly. But on here I am not allowed to say so. It frequently seems that only one point is allowed and that is stopping Brexit and ways of stopping Brexit. Hardly any thought goes into what would happen if it is stopped. And if someone like myself mentions it you get nothing but grief.
I fully agree. There will be many on both sides that didn't put any thoughts into their actions. But is it a real reason to have another referendum?My opinion was the same - leave had to be assumed to be no deal. But literally no-one on the Leave campaign said that is what they were doing. Every single one, inc. current Mr. No Deal Farage were saying parts would be kept or we could pick and choose.
We may have been able to see beyond that but there are many how wouldn't and would've taken them at their word. There are still people going on about bendy bananas even though it was totally debunked over a decade ago.
This particular posting is a joke isn't it ?If a second referendum results in Remain, that’s the will of the people. Anyone protesting on that point would look rather silly.
I don’t buy this “ooohhhh Brexiters will riot” bollock and even if I did you don’t negotiate with terrorists.
'We know you voted leave but can we try again?'I disagree another referendum wouldn't necessarily make things worse. It would all depend on how it was worded.
I think Johnson wants a deal, he just believes he can wipe out Labour with the rhetoric of people vs parliament at an election.
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The Tories haven’t changed. They aren’t suddenly big state tax and spenders.
No. Most leavers didn't want to stay in the single market. You are completely out of touch.Most leavers thought we’d stay in the single market. More so than Remainers. See that graph I posted earlier.
It’s like people think we can’t just go back and see what people thought in 2016. It’s just a few ideologues claiming 17.4m people think just like them with no evidence.
Can we have full truth instead of half truth? It was a Labour plan.Porky wants it built-do you deny that? HS2 is a colossal waste of money spearheaded by the Tories. Again, you obfuscate rather than admit the mistake.
Can we have full truth instead of half truth? It was a Labour plan.
HS2 will help bring Britain together - LabourList
'We know you voted leave but can we try again?'
We know they lie to us. Why would anyone think they are being truthful for once?
You are absolutely right. If it is stopped, where does that leave democracy in this country from thereon ? It will result in the rise of extremism and God knows what over the next few years. I think there will be deep, deep unrest and turmoil for a generation. Perhaps it would be best if we left the E.U. with the notionn of another referendum in 20 years. Its not ideal but I can't think of anything else.Exactly. But on here I am not allowed to say so. It frequently seems that only one point is allowed and that is stopping Brexit and ways of stopping Brexit. Hardly any thought goes into what would happen if it is stopped. And if someone like myself mentions it you get nothing but grief.
Which as you know is exactly what I have been saying for ages. But I get hammered on here for saying so.there are a mixture of pro and anti Brexit posters on this thread. I don’t think there’s anyone who’d expect it being stopped to be simple. Regardless of what happens the whole process is going to continue to impact the country for the foreseeable future, I just can’t see a way out of it or making it better whatever way is implemented.
So why isn't it legally binding and how could it be legally binding?As I said, two main differences. Legally binding and what leave means actually defined rather than campaigned on a whole host of stuff that was never feasible to start with.
Which as you know is exactly what I have been saying for ages. But I get hammered on here for saying so.
Whatever happens there will be millions that are unhappy. Is there a happy medium? Don't even think that would work. But what would cause the least amount of problems? You can strike remain off that list.
Which would leave us with.........And also leave as well in that case.
Think you replied before I edited. Exactly, that’s the point, it’s a huge mess.Which would leave us with.........
Exactly. But on here I am not allowed to say so. It frequently seems that only one point is allowed and that is stopping Brexit and ways of stopping Brexit. Hardly any thought goes into what would happen if it is stopped. And if someone like myself mentions it you get nothing but grief.
How about the part you added?Think you replied before I edited. Exactly, that’s the point, it’s a huge mess.
Fortunately not one political party is adopting your idea - which may tell you something
I’m talking about legal rights, technically the referendum wasn’t legally binding.How about the part you added?
The rights of those who voted leave and got the leave result?
Think about it. It hasn't been denied them.....yet.
Technically we beat Bolton 3-0.I’m talking about legal rights, technically the referendum wasn’t legally binding.
Keep to the truth.
I am not scared of anything. I just don't think there should be another referendum. Us leaving will cause me problems. It is causing me plenty already. But another referendum will make things worse. It won't solve anything. I couldn't even see it resolving anything if the vote was leave again. People like yourself will just continue to protest. And you seem to think it would all go smoothly if brexit was stopped.
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