Nobody ever talks about leaving where I work, they just leave because of budget cuts...Where I work people always talk about leaving. But other than retiring our staff turnover runs between 1 and 2%.
So where have I said that jobs are not available? Wasn't it you that tried to say that our unemployment rate went up in June when it went down yet again and we now have record employment?Immigrants especially from the EU are coming here to work, the reason they're doing that is because jobs in both skilled and "unskilled" sectors are available, immigrants especially those from the EU are net contributors to the UK economy. Which means it works. You've been tricked into thinking that somehow it's broken. It might not be perfect but it certainly isn't broken.
If people are not coming from the EU to fill these employment gaps who is? Or are you suggesting that these jobs will simply go away and we won't need an immigrant workforce to fill these holes? If these jobs do simply disappear because there isn't an immigrant workforce to fill the positions what effect will that have on the UK economy? Will it be a gain for the UK economy or a loss? If a loss are you seriously suggesting that a government will deliberately allow a shrinkage in the UK economy so they can say we're only letting in skilled workers like astute wanted or will they make it easier for immigrants to come into the country wether they be from the EU, the commonwealth of wherever?
Nothing will change regarding numbers overall, just the demographics. Only we'll probably end up with a unskilled, poorly educated, unlikely to go home immigrant workforce. But it's OK because you'll be able to say we control the borders. Biting of your nose to spite your face springs to mind.
Minimum of 35k? The average is 50% lower than that now. So how long will the minimum wage take to nearly treble?So what happens when the minimum salary threshold of £35K kicks in given that nursing isn't an exempt profession? And what happens when we leave the EU if we haven't agreed to freedom of movement and those same rules therefore apply to EU nurses?
Yet immigrants are net contributors to the economy.We don't have enough housing for people already here after record immigration to the UK.
There is not a lack of housing in this country.......there are over 1.3 million empty homes......
What there is (and has been for the last 20 years) is complete political inertia to resolve or even propose a sensible solution to the housing problem......
Aside from political failure, its banks, buy-to-let, help-to-buy, land-banking, poor planning & even fucking airB&B that have had a larger detrimental effect on housing than immigration.....
I voted leave & I'm sick of the scapegoating of immigrants for all the nations ills.....
Didn't make the figure up its the threshold that the home office and May are bringing in for Tier 2 Visas. At present it will only impact non-EU immigrants but once we leave the EU unless we have special arrangements in place then that will be the rule for everyone from outside the UK.Minimum of 35k? The average is 50% lower than that now. So how long will the minimum wage take to nearly treble?
And I suppose it was a serious post by you?
What social housing? It doesn't get built anymore. But when large building projects get the OK they are supposed to have a certain % as affordable housing. But even that gets reduced by half on average. The whole thing is an absolute joke.Yet immigrants are net contributors to the economy.
Without that, there's less cash available to build social housing.
Buy to let? They are all rented out. Land banks are the biggest problem. They sit on the land for years. They limit the amount of houses that they build to keep the prices high. So they make more money.There is not a lack of housing in this country.......there are over 1.3 million empty homes......
What there is (and has been for the last 20 years) is complete political inertia to resolve or even propose a sensible solution to the housing problem......
Aside from political failure, its banks, buy-to-let, help-to-buy, land-banking, poor planning & even fucking airB&B that have had a larger detrimental effect on housing than immigration.....
I voted leave & I'm sick of the scapegoating of immigrants for all the nations ills.....
Are you saying that we won't be able to let people in who have the skills we need?Didn't make the figure up its the threshold that the home office and May are bringing in for Tier 2 Visas. At present it will only impact non-EU immigrants but once we leave the EU unless we have special arrangements in place then that will be the rule for everyone from outside the UK.
So where have I said that jobs are not available? Wasn't it you that tried to say that our unemployment rate went up in June when it went down yet again and we now have record employment?
My point has always been the same. We don't have enough housing for people already here after record immigration to the UK. You can blame who you want. But it is still a fact. Yet anyone from the EU can still come here to live. In some areas you can't even get a doctors appointment for 2 weeks or more. Blame who you want but it is still a fact. In some areas hospitals can't cope. But people still move into them areas. Blame who you want but it is still a fact.
If the rules that apply to non-EU applicants come into force for EU applicants then yes that is what will happen. It is already happening with non EU applicants.Are you saying that we won't be able to let people in who have the skills we need?
What social housing? It doesn't get built anymore. But when large building projects get the OK they are supposed to have a certain % as affordable housing. But even that gets reduced by half on average. The whole thing is an absolute joke.
And there's your problem, not immigrants!What social housing? It doesn't get built anymore.
I say short term yes...medium term improve training...long term skills available domestically...lower unemployment rates...stronger economy...better paid...more taxes raised...but less needed. The nations that we currently get these skilled people from then benefit by keeping their own cup full too.Are you saying that we won't be able to let people in who have the skills we need?
And there's your problem, not immigrants!
Immigrants add to the money available for projects, not take it away. As it currently stands you take immigration away, we'll all be worse off.
So what will be done to stop that happening if you remove immigrants? Higher taxes is the obvious one...
The trouble with data is deciding what to believe given that it was annpunced this week that the official calculated unemployed figures have a 'glitch' in them.
It's those sort of sources that fullfact.org (which i prefer to read over newspapers) use. If even official sources of raw data is providing inaccurate data we don't stand a chance of knowing or understanding wtf is going on or planning ahead effectively as individuals or as a nation
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Positive economic impact of UK immigration from the European Union: new evidenceThere is actually no evidence at all to say immigration is a net contributor if you then factor out per person cost for required social services. The assumption made is total expenditure they make remained inside the UK.
There is no statistics to back up your comment it's just an opinion.
I have no real knowledge of the case they're citing so am unable to comment one way or the other than my noting that the case was back in 2012. However virtually all the stuff I look at it to do with the economy & political claims...which I have seen them discredit using official data sources which it is hard to discredit as the politicians often choose not to use them (probably because they can't easily twist it to meet their own end)Faux Facts - The disturbing Truth About fullfact.org
Google that for a second opinion and who is behind fullfacts
Have you checked their negative points? They seem to agree with me and many others.
Christ, it's the disbelieve experts now.Isn't your our link at uni site? Very pro EU institutions at worst. And as some have said where are the negatives to balance the argument. In my opinion it works out about level.
We need immigration but good and positive immigration not open borders.
Maybe they're positive having, you know, researched it objectively and come to that conclusion.Christ, it's the disbelieve experts now.
Maybe they're positive having, you know, researched it objectively and come to that conclusion.
But of course they're biased, because their research doesn't say what you want it to say having, you know, done some research.
I have no real knowledge of the case they're citing so am unable to comment one way or the other than my noting that the case was back in 2012. However virtually all the stuff I look at it to do with the economy & political claims...which I have seen them discredit using official data sources which it is hard to discredit as the politicians often choose not to use them (probably because they can't easily twist it to meet their own end)
Only other question would be who is UK Column? Who founded & supports it? How independent & unbiased is it? Who is the editor & what credibility to call themselves as independent have they?
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Isn't your our link at uni site? Very pro EU institutions at worst. And as some have said where are the negatives to balance the argument. In my opinion it works out about level.
We need immigration but good and positive immigration not open borders.
We do to EU residents. It is those from elsewhere that have a problem getting in. That is why we have slums in places like Calais. No human being should be treated like they are. You would get arrested if you treated an animal in the same way.We don't have open borders.
They certainly seem biased towards the EU. It wouldn't surprise me if they got funding from it. But they do mention some of the bad parts of being in the EU. They say it using politically correct phrases though. As in might and maybe. But state the good things as a certainly.According to that logic nobody is completely neutral - not even Astute. Unfortunately that appears to be the case. I really can't say who is better ( I haven't been following either ), but I think that just because it's called "fullfact" it doesn't necessarily mean that it is. In the time in which we live in, where people like Donald Trump just say whatever they feel like on a certain day regardless of the facts, then we have to read several sources to get the jist of what is really happening.
They certainly seem biased towards the EU. It wouldn't surprise me if they got funding from it. But they do mention some of the bad parts of being in the EU. They say it using politically correct phrases though. As in might and maybe. But state the good things as a certainly.
I'm not biased on leaving or staying. I can see good and bad on both leaving and staying. But yes you could say that I am biased if we are talking about people having somewhere to live and have the chance of healthcare when needed. Yet if you believe what you read on here I should be looking at someone to blame for homelessness than wanting a solution for it.The opposite of you then. But you are neutral.
I'm not biased on leaving or staying. I can see good and bad on both leaving and staying. But yes you could say that I am biased if we are talking about people having somewhere to live and have the chance of healthcare when needed. Yet if you believe what you read on here I should be looking at someone to blame for homelessness than wanting a solution for it.
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