SkyblueBazza
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Expected response...that's a British border!
As you are trying so hard to be a smartarse - I thought I would do the same.
But you are right...no one is interested in who you are
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Expected response...that's a British border!So, to get around having to show my passport I just fly to Glasgow and no one is interested who I am.
I see.
Expected response...that's a British border!
As you are trying so hard to be a smartarse - I thought I would do the same.
But you are right...no one is interested in who you are
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Never met Farage...you obviously get to choose people's friends for them too it seems.
All hail Martcov
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I certainly did :shamefullyembarrased:.
I really struggle with your point.In other words you cannot name a nation without borders, but you don't like such nations.
I see.
I am not being a smartarse. It may seem so to you though.
You know nothing of great substance of me or my general opinions - so go climb back into bed with Mrs MerkleYou should meet him. Two peas in a pod.
I really struggle with your point.
What has any of this got to do with (indenting to become) illegal entrants coming to this (Britain...not Germany) country & your seeming opinion that that is absolutely fine. My assertion that that course of action opens up 'floodgates' for people in unknown & inestimable numbers to then descend upon us placing a strain on our infrastructure?
If other countries wish to welcome such migration that is up to them.
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You know nothing of great substance of me or my general opinions - so go climb back into bed with Mrs Merkle
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Where did I say I was scared stiff of of anything. I don't agree with things.I only know what you keep repeating on here. You are scared stiff of open borders - which you cannot give an example of. "Open borders" is a catch phrase of Farage. Which puts you in his club.
More than that I don't know about you.
Where did I say I was scared stiff of of anything. I don't agree with things.
But do you know what you have gone so fuck-off far from the original point, I really don't know if you're trying to convince me of something or wind me up. You're doing neither. You are convincing me that you're an assumtpive, clever-cock though...with a very closed mind.
I can't actually remember now what if anything I have said or have been assumed to say about these open borders. All I am saying is that people living in Calais are choosing to live in the awful conditions somebody mentioned in an effort to illegally enter the UK. You made some suggestion that they should be allowed in & our EU neighbours vindictively letting them across the channel is acceptable. I say if we just accept them - floodgates open & our infrastructure is under even greater strain. I don't see what there is to dispute with that. Its logical.
Can't be arsed to reply to you anymore if you're not going to put some rational point over.
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Right...well I stand by the first point because of the reasons I have mentioned enough. The EU has freedom of movement between countries. That is legal...and showing of passports is supposed to be proof enough of EU citizenship. No issues there.I merely said that France ( including Macron ) talked about moving the border from Calais back to Dover now that we are leaving the EU after you went on about the "illegals" in Calais waiting to get a chance to come to Britain.
You had the unpalatable solutions and mentioned not liking nations with open borders.
You couldn't name one of these nations.
I also said that deciding who comes in is not so easy because of international laws, agreements etc., and that sending people home or to other countries is also not always an easy solution for several reasons which I listed.
That's all.
Right...well I stand by the first point because of the reasons I have mentioned enough. The EU has freedom of movement between countries. That is legal...and showing of passports is supposed to be proof enough of EU citizenship. No issues there.
We agree it isn't an easy decision who comes in. But my take is that they are as safe in France as they are in Britain...so they should stay in France if they seek some asylum of sorts...or France can send them back to Spain or Greece or wherever if they can prove where they are from.
The examples I gave were obviously unpalatable ones...not my suggestions, which you could've probably rightly assumed but chose not to. But clearly - a solution has to be found. Preferably one that doesn't encourage all & sundry to think 'let's go to Britain' (illegally). At the very least that will be unpalatable to those in Calais trying to get here...but probably to others too. The alternative is to overload the country & it's infrastructure imo.
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Yes...so after all that - we are actually somewhat on the same page afterall!?Well, the EU and Merkel talk is a sort of Marshall plan for North Africa. The main reason for leaving family and friends is to escape poverty. The logic is to finance the economy of these countries ( North African ) to create jobs and give people a chance to make a living in their own country.
People believe that we are richer than we are. They only have to watch western TV or films to see the lives we lead - but, the films don't usually show people going to work everyday and maybe night to get by. They think they can make it to a level as seen in films by just getting to a "rich" country. We are a magnet because of this.
Young people will continue trying to better themselves and emigration was always an option. You won't change that, but we have to get their countries moving to at least offer the option of getting on at home.
There is no easy solution. Trying to shut the border and hope that the problem will go away won't solve the problem. Plus, other countries will insist on sharing the burden. If we don't share the burden our trading partners may take some form of action against us ( as is being considered against the Visigard countries),
I see that the government is refusing to rule out importing US chlorine washed chicken and GM injected beef as part of a US trade deal.
Doesn't surprise me. Who needs bureaucracy anyway.... ethical considerations or public health considerations? Na. We need a trade deal sharpish....
If we do import things not approved by the EU, then the EU will have to have stringent border checks to enforce EU import regulations in case people here reexport to the EU.
Bit hypocritical as your wife no doubt came into the UK thanks to freedom of movement?
I also assume that there's no way that any future children of yours would take up the option of an EU passport?
Doesn't surprise me. Who needs bureaucracy anyway.... ethical considerations or public health considerations? Na. We need a trade deal sharpish....
If we do import things not approved by the EU, then the EU will have to have stringent border checks to enforce EU import regulations in case people here reexport to the EU.
shipments to the eu from the uk often breach DEFRA rules and regulations.
Not really, like the confusion between Europe and the EU, not having freedom of movement does not mean we cannot have any movement.
Plus, if you met my wife and talked to her about what the EU has done to her country, you probably wouldn't be quite as pro-EU.
Which happens because we have free trade with the EU. Are you suggesting that the EU carry out the same checks internally as the do from non EU members? US beef and chicken are already banned in the EU because of the way they farm. It would be naive to think that imports from the UK won't be more stringently checked if we're a known importer of US beef. That is extra costs to the UK beef market. Do you have any idea of the costs of third party inspection of goods being exported? It's also in my experience the responsibility of the importer to cover the costs of said third party inspection. That would automatically increase the cost of getting British beef onto the tables of EU countries. Who do we export most of our beef to I wonder? It's not the US that is for sure.
You also claim to be an animal lover. Do you think that if we start importing cheap, battery farmed beef from America British farmers won't change from free range farming of beef to battery farming like in America to compete?
Have you seen cattle farming in America? The cows never leave the shed's and the fields are used to grow GM modified crops for cattle feed and they then inject the cows with a cocktail of chemicals and hormones to help replicate what happens naturally in free range beef.
I don't think you've thought this through.
As bad as the EU regulations may be they are still stricter than the US so surely we should be against importing things of a lower standard.
So shouldn't the focus be on ensuring the standards are met rather than doing a deal to lower the standards?The point is whatever standards they have between member states they just ignore them!
So shouldn't the focus be on ensuring the standards are met rather than doing a deal to lower the standards?
Well done Tony after weeks and weeks I have finally looked at one of your comments
So lets explore the EU record on animal welfare shall we? As my statement was specifically aimed at the EU.
Here is a statement from an organisation I significantly contribute to regarding the EU and its animal welfare policy;
The European Union (EU) recognises farm animals as sentient beings1, capable of experiencing suffering. Despite this, tens of billions of animals endure short, miserable lives in factory farms2, where the priority is simply to produce as much meat, milk and eggs as quickly and cheaply as possible.
3.
An egg-laying hen in a barren battery cage often spends her whole life crammed into a space smaller than an A4 sheet of paper per animal
CIWF (2011)4
5.
The European Food Safety Authority reported that over 90% of Europe's pigs are tail-docked despite it being illegal to perform routinely.
European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) (2007)6
As for horse shipments the rules established by DEFRA have been blatantly ignored due to the European desire for horse meat at low cost. This has been known for years and a major area of concern,
EXCLUSIVE: British horses being shipped across Europe and sold for meat
The 2008 EU directive was a disgrace
The EU make a statement regarding experimentation but ignores that France has the largest legitimised animal experiment testing across Europe with 2 MILLION a year - many dogs.
Spain is a fucking disgrace - I would never holiday in that barbaric country which has a medieval view of animals. Does the EU still use the agriculture budget to subsidise it? I can't be bothers, or dare, to look. Greece and its legitimised barbaric treatment of donkeys and the backward states such as Romania make me shudder
Much of Europe in my experience is backward regarding animal welfare and many societies are feudal compared to ours. Still I reacted to a post of yours so I guess that makes you happy.
Don't call me someone who claims to care about animal welfare. Fuck off and back to ignore
This is all due to people wanting to eat more meat and for as cheap as possible. Let's not pretend there's no battery farming going on here though and there's no mistreatment. Going even lower with US standards is not the answer. There needs to be a massive change in the way people consume meat. These days I only organic meat or meat from a farm shop
Don't think I've said we are any better. I'm merely pointing out the EU had an animal werefare charter then blatantly ignored it
Well done Tony after weeks and weeks I have finally looked at one of your comments
So lets explore the EU record on animal welfare shall we? As my statement was specifically aimed at the EU.
Here is a statement from an organisation I significantly contribute to regarding the EU and its animal welfare policy;
The European Union (EU) recognises farm animals as sentient beings1, capable of experiencing suffering. Despite this, tens of billions of animals endure short, miserable lives in factory farms2, where the priority is simply to produce as much meat, milk and eggs as quickly and cheaply as possible.
3.
An egg-laying hen in a barren battery cage often spends her whole life crammed into a space smaller than an A4 sheet of paper per animal
CIWF (2011)4
5.
The European Food Safety Authority reported that over 90% of Europe's pigs are tail-docked despite it being illegal to perform routinely.
European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) (2007)6
As for horse shipments the rules established by DEFRA have been blatantly ignored due to the European desire for horse meat at low cost. This has been known for years and a major area of concern,
EXCLUSIVE: British horses being shipped across Europe and sold for meat
The 2008 EU directive was a disgrace
The EU make a statement regarding experimentation but ignores that France has the largest legitimised animal experiment testing across Europe with 2 MILLION a year - many dogs.
Spain is a fucking disgrace - I would never holiday in that barbaric country which has a medieval view of animals. Does the EU still use the agriculture budget to subsidise it? I can't be bothers, or dare, to look. Greece and its legitimised barbaric treatment of donkeys and the backward states such as Romania make me shudder
Much of Europe in my experience is backward regarding animal welfare and many societies are feudal compared to ours. Still I reacted to a post of yours so I guess that makes you happy.
Don't call me someone who claims to care about animal welfare. Fuck off and back to ignore
As bad as the EU regulations may be they are still stricter than the US so surely we should be against importing things of a lower standard.
This is all due to people wanting to eat more meat and for as cheap as possible. Let's not pretend there's no battery farming going on here though and there's no mistreatment. Going even lower with US standards is not the answer. There needs to be a massive change in the way people consume meat. These days I only organic meat or meat from a farm shop
Which in itself is no great shakes is it? Many from Britain go to the states & wax lyrical about the quality & quantity & price value of their steaks.I see that the government is refusing to rule out importing US chlorine washed chicken and GM injected beef as part of a US trade deal.
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