Well well well having read about the chlorine chicken debate two things are apparant.
1 the eu ban has absolutely nothing to do with animal welfare
2 the eu ban has nothing to do with human health concerns
So that's that settled then. No reason not to import products of a lower ethical or health standard. More benefits of taking our country back.
More efficient production methods = cheaper food.
I still think that, although it is tempting to rush into deals which lower standards, we will suffer some way in the end as we did with BSE.
All this anti EU regulations talk in this case is just a cover for the farming industry- excepting the smaller farmers - who just want to get a return on their investment. A US deal involving such things as chlorine chicken will pressure British farmers into doing similar things in order to compete.
If the EU ban has nothing to do with welfare or health, but benefits those things, then it is still a good thing.
So now you swivel - it's nothing to do with health as the European food standards agency conceded that the food is not harmful as there is less chlorine than in water. In fact it may be beneficial as its aim is to reduce known bacteria in battery darned animals.
It has zero to do with animal welfare at all as the standards for battery animals is broadly similar.
The reason is price. It's price fixing through the back door. Price of American imported food would be around 20% cheaper. So this is old fashioned EU protectionism forcing consumers to pay more.
This bluster about welfare standards and health is bollocks.
That's the facts isn't it Mart?
So now you swivel - it's nothing to do with health as the European food standards agency conceded that the food is not harmful as there is less chlorine than in water. In fact it may be beneficial as its aim is to reduce known bacteria in battery darned animals.
It has zero to do with animal welfare at all as the standards for battery animals is broadly similar.
The reason is price. It's price fixing through the back door. Price of American imported food would be around 20% cheaper. So this is old fashioned EU protectionism forcing consumers to pay more.
This bluster about welfare standards and health is bollocks.
That's the facts isn't it Mart?
So now you swivel - it's nothing to do with health as the European food standards agency conceded that the food is not harmful as there is less chlorine than in water. In fact it may be beneficial as its aim is to reduce known bacteria in battery darned animals.
It has zero to do with animal welfare at all as the standards for battery animals is broadly similar.
The reason is price. It's price fixing through the back door. Price of American imported food would be around 20% cheaper. So this is old fashioned EU protectionism forcing consumers to pay more.
This bluster about welfare standards and health is bollocks.
That's the facts isn't it Mart?
you enjoying watching the country go down the pan? Strange.
No.
“The European Union has said that it is perfectly safe. The issue lies around some of the secondary issues of animal welfare”.
Critics of the practice say that it allows farms to have lower hygiene and welfare standards because the rely on bathing the meat in bacteria-killing chlorine solution before it is packaged.
The US allows several practices which aren’t permitted under EU law, such as treating cows with man-made growth hormones and washing animal carcases with lactic acid and other substances to kill pathogens.
Yes.
The general opinion is the hygiene comment is bullshit as the eu are supposed under their code inspect regularly premises so any issue would then be identified at that point.
So it's about money and forcing consumers to pay more to protect farmers.
Screw the consumer and protect the European agricultural market
Funny that the people kicking up most in Germany were the greens and that the people most for chlorine chickens were the other businesses who were prepared to accept that for more trade with the US.
Would anyone import Chicken meat from the USA? Mexico or Canada might but there are plentiful supplies in Europe?
KFC McD Franchisees? It is supposed to be much cheaper than EU chicken. A lot would depend on exchange rates though.
...says the man who voted for Corbyn & McDonnell to bankrupt the economy.
Oh the irony.
I am totally opposed to fox hunting and also the other idea on ivory trade.
Well well well having read about the chlorine chicken debate two things are apparant.
1 the eu ban has absolutely nothing to do with animal welfare
2 the eu ban has nothing to do with human health concerns
Strange that a vote for Labour was a vote for Brexit, yet it doesn't apply to you when voting for the tories.
Ahhh yes because the Tories are doing a great job.
KFC McD Franchisees? It is supposed to be much cheaper than EU chicken. A lot would depend on exchange rates though.
Yeah, well that's not Chicken, that's processed crap, chlorine wash or not, EU or USA its well dodge. Advice, avoid,, their prices are not even cheap.
Low interest rates for me personally is the only thing that matters. So actually they are doing a great job.
Says a lot about you, to be honest.
IT says a lot about you that earlier in the thread you preached about eating organic food and sneering st those who can't afford it and so not want them to have cheap alternatives. A Marie Attoinentte moment I think.
It doesn't threaten the bloated eu protectionism - it just serves up shite from abused animals so that's all fine and dandy.
It made me laugh when that EU toady Nick Clegg was saying "we don't want that cheap US chicken" - I can envisage Britains most hypocritical politician saying it while stuffing his face with foie gras - all at the taxpayers expense no doubt.
Yeah, well that's not Chicken, that's processed crap, chlorine wash or not, EU or USA its well dodge. Advice, avoid,, their prices are not even cheap.
Low interest rates for me personally is the only thing that matters. So actually they are doing a great job.
...says the man who voted for Corbyn & McDonnell to bankrupt the economy.
Oh the irony.
IT says a lot about you that earlier in the thread you preached about eating organic food and sneering st those who can't afford it and so not want them to have cheap alternatives. A Marie Attoinentte moment I think.
Now, after going on about animal welfare standards, you are condoning US battery methods. You couldn't make it up.
I wouldn't eat any of that crap. I'm a signed up member of CWF
I think your confusing me with Martcov
Sign the Petition
Grendel, genuine question. How are you so concerned about animal welfare but are happy for them to be murdered just for your dinner?
Expect a lowering of standards. The joke is that you voted for Brexit Britain. Sign whatever pledge you want, but you voted against EU regulations and controls. Enjoy.
Mart, I have been told a million times I didn't know what I voted for and what brexit looked like? Now your telling me I voted against EU controls (you are right) but which is it? I can't keep up.
Also on your bit I quoted again you miss the point. You are completely correct what you said but the point is an Independent Britain can make its own rules and if we don't want chlorine washed chicken then we won't. If we do then we do. That's the point. You make it sound as if it's a bad thing to have a choice. If we end up having Usa chicken and I don't want to buy it then guess what I won't. It's personal choice.
You voted for control. You cannot have known or thought it through to the point that we may have to accept things we don't want to get a trade deal e.g. with the USA. In other words we have no 100% control of our borders. If Trump says that ( chlorine chicken ) or no deal, then what? No EU and no USA?
You've been had. You have no ultimate choice. It was bs. At least within the EU you had some sort of say as a major player. Now Brexit Britain is just a side show for Trump and the USA. Farage played up the Trump loyalty bit. Came back from the USA with a scrap of paper ( sorry, confusing him with Chamberlain)... not even a scrap of paper, but enthusing about Trump having a bust of Churchill and how he was going to do a great trade deal with Britain because when he gives his word he means it.. how loyal Donald is.. etc etc... You can ask Sessions and Spicer about loyalty from Trump.
No, KoK, sorry to have to tell you this again, but you and millions of others have been seriously misled. Liam Fox's US begging Trip and the grovelling to the Saudi royal family for arms deals show this.
Grendel is on about animals being killed. What about the Yemenis being killed by the Saudi war machine that we actively support with advanced weaponisation?
About time that we admitted that we need a powerful "united" Europe to deal with threats and to strengthen our negotiating hand. I couldn't give a toss about the curvature of bananas or Brussels regulations- there is far more at stake and "we" are just beginning to see exactly what.
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