I would agree that starting with something that can be built on is better than stalemate
a shit deal is better than no deal
Well done to the government for getting a deal,Just hope it can be respected by all people from left to right now.
Give them some credit,And up yours Macron
Up yours Macron? Johnson folded and has basically got the same deal May would of got in 2018, the deal he said was so bad he had to quit his cabinet job over.
Up yours Macron? Johnson folded and has basically got the same deal May would of got in 2018, the deal he said was so bad he had to quit his cabinet job over.
There is no way May would’ve tried to get this deal (rightly or wrongly) so she wouldn’t have got it. She wanted far closer alignment with the EU so would’ve agreed to a load of the stuff we have been pissing about with arguing for months. It’s some the nuances/small stuff that’s important ie ability to diverge without unilateral punishment, independent arbitration on level playing field (rather than ECJ ruling), gradual wind down of ten current fishing quota system etc etc.
Whether any of that stuff actually benefits us remains to be seen.
This is what we’re going to get though...cries of ‘sell out’ from Farage/ERG, ‘shit deal deal should’ve stayed’ from remainers. If that’s the case then it’s probably down the middle which means most people who just want to get on with it will be happy enough for now
ps all of the above is based on what appears to have been agreed so caveated as nobody’s has seen final text !
Devil will be in the details. Hopefully some good news in there. The worst case scenario is Johnson having basically backed down on everything but from some reports that seems a distinct possibility.
Although it shows how low the bar now is that we're praising any deal being done, that's a long way from what was initially promised. Is there anywhere we've done a deal with yet which is better than what we had as part of the EU? All the ones I've seen announced have been continuation on the same terms which makes the whole thing seem a bit of a waste of time.
Rees Mogg backing it apparently. Maybe even the ERG are realising after the year we've had no deal would be too disastrous even for the disaster capitalists.
On a trade basis that’s what pretty much everyone wanted though Dave ie trade continues as was (albeit there will be more paperwork !)
Depends what you voted for though I guess. I drafted a long (and dull) post a couple of weeks back but didn’t bother posting as it’s just ploughing over old ground and too long to stick on here. Think I’ve got a draft somewhere if anyone’s interested (and very bored) PM me
They’ll be far more shit fits about this deal coming from the right and the ERG than there will be from the left you can be sure of that.Well done to the government for getting a deal,Just hope it can be respected by all people from left to right now.
Give them some credit,And up yours Macron
They’ll be far more shit fits about this deal coming from the right and the ERG than there will be from the left you can be sure of that.
I doubt that very much. If the reports are accurate this is a fairly significant shift from the deal May proposed.
On a trade basis that’s what pretty much everyone wanted though Dave ie trade continues as was (albeit there will be more paperwork !)
Depends what you voted for though I guess. I drafted a long (and dull) post a couple of weeks back but didn’t bother posting as it’s just ploughing over old ground and too long to stick on here. Think I’ve got a draft somewhere if anyone’s interested (and very bored) PM me
On what in particular?I doubt that very much. If the reports are accurate this is a fairly significant shift from the deal May proposed.
Never going to happen.Wonder how things would have gone on all round if Sinn fein had ever taken their seat's.
Does anyone have a view if that event will ever occur.
Or what rhe prevailing conditions would need to be if/when it does?0
And Brexit was supposed to cut bureaucracy.Again flitting in and out of the room where 5live was on but caught them saying something about how far the UK could diverge from EU standards was a huge stumbling block but both sides have agreed to an adjudication body being set up to rule on such matters
Just turned on 5live and the first words I heard were state aid though obviously missed what had preceded it.
I'd forgotten all about the complaint but I wonder how it will be affected?
Had some farmers on 5live, they said they were glad we've got a deal but they said there was going to be a big increase in vetinary costs and a potential shortage of vets
Again didn't hear the detail!
You had leave voting farmers the next day asking where are they going to get their labour from. Farmers (collectively) haven’t exactly done anything to dispel the myth that they’re stupid. I can’t read and I can’t write but I can vote Brexit.A lot of farmers voted for Brexit but would’ve benefited from CAP. By all accounts (again only what I’ve read) but we’re planning on a far more environmentally friendly agri subsidy policy. Bet many farmers won’t like it and wish they’d voted to remain !!!
There is no way May would’ve tried to get this deal (rightly or wrongly) so she wouldn’t have got it. She wanted far closer alignment with the EU so would’ve agreed to a load of the stuff we have been pissing about with arguing for months. It’s some the nuances/small stuff that’s important ie ability to diverge without unilateral punishment, independent arbitration on level playing field (rather than ECJ ruling), gradual wind down of ten current fishing quota system etc etc.
Whether any of that stuff actually benefits us remains to be seen.
This is what we’re going to get though...cries of ‘sell out’ from Farage/ERG, ‘shit deal deal should’ve stayed’ from remainers. If that’s the case then it’s probably down the middle which means most people who just want to get on with it will be happy enough for now
ps all of the above is based on what appears to have been agreed so caveated as nobody’s has seen final text !
You had leave voting farmers the next day asking where are they going to get their labour from. Farmers (collectively) haven’t exactly done anything to dispel the myth that they’re stupid. I can’t read and I can’t write but I can vote Brexit.
There is a bigger disaster in covid which has made Brexit redundant!Surely a disastrous situation for disaster capitalists wouldnt have been such a disaster
As far as I understand it the rules its heard against are those which applied at the time, but, I don't get whether the EC still has any powers over residual cases like that.Just turned on 5live and the first words I heard were state aid though obviously missed what had preceded it.
I'd forgotten all about the complaint but I wonder how it will be affected?
It's just silliness and most of it is the UK folding but saving face. We want independent arbitration but not by the ECJ even though any panel will look at any issue though the prism of compatibility with the same laws.
As for the ability to diverge without unilateral punishment, all that means is UK accepts that divergence comes at a price (but we won't call it punishment as it never was). In practice I doubt there will be much divergence at all over time.
If this is where the UK has got to after 4 years, you've got say what an utter waste of time the whole thing has been.
I presume the people moaning have already read through the 800 page document?
I bet you had a deep understanding of the TFEU etc when voted outI presume the people moaning have already read through the 800 page document?
I bet you had a deep understanding of the TFEU etc when voted out
We all lost mate.
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