The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (63 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

New Zealand?

Maybe our lamb won't cost 100 pound for 4 chops anymore

Seriously though I don't know what to say mate

Currently beef from Australia is subject to 20% tariffs so British farmers can compete against it. Take that 20% away and British farmers can’t compete. It’s as simple as that.

 

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[Grendel]

Ah ok, what kind of business do you run ?

He is the last U.K. importer of Blue Nun

 

[Evo1883]

Currently beef from Australia is subject to 20% tariffs so British farmers can compete against it. Take that 20% away and British farmers can’t compete. It’s as simple as that.

Does that mean cheaper beef ?

 

[Evo1883]

He is the last U.K. importer of Blue Nun

Wine ?
Interesting, I have an auntie who will probably make all his money back for him

 

[PVA]

Ah ok, what kind of business do you run ?

I'd rather not say exactly, but it's a contracting business and the parts and machinery we use are manufactured in Sweden - literally nowhere else in the world - and the pound crashing against the Euro and increased delivery costs have cost us hundreds of thousands.

 

[skybluetony176]

Does that mean cheaper beef ?

As long as you don’t mind buying it from the other side of the world at the expense of local producers.

 

[Skybluefaz]

New data highlights the materials that have risen in price | Construction News

The cost of building materials in the UK has risen sharply over the past few months, latest figures show. Data released by the Department for Business,

www.constructionnews.co.uk

Timber price rises are having a big affect on the company I work for.

 

[wingy]

Does that mean cheaper beef ?

I think I read it will lead to a trade deficit of £3B.
Guess GDP will shrink along with that ,so on it's own that doesn't sound huge,not sure we're sending much the other way.
But our trade with the EU had doubled over the last fifteen to twenty years to Around £300B, still a deficit mind you can't remember from memory whether it had grown or shrunk as that happened, all while sterling was weakening for several years.

 

[Grendel]

Wine ?
Interesting, I have an auntie who will probably make all his money back for him

Christ O Drivel’s mum is your auntie?

 

[skybluetony176]

I'd rather not say exactly, but it's a contracting business and the parts and machinery we use are manufactured in Sweden - literally nowhere else in the world - and the pound crashing against the Euro and increased delivery costs have cost us hundreds of thousands.

We had the same. A big part was that most commodities are traded in $USD so when converted back into £GBP currency fluctuations can really hurt. Currency always fluctuates so there’s always risk but in my working life I’ve never witnessed such a big hit in a 24 hour period and then no recovery from that hit in a five year period on top of that. We really felt it with any components we buy that contain metals. It’s shipping costs that’s really killing us at the moment but that’s more to do Covid than Brexit.

 

[skybluetony176]

New data highlights the materials that have risen in price | Construction News

The cost of building materials in the UK has risen sharply over the past few months, latest figures show. Data released by the Department for Business,

www.constructionnews.co.uk

Timber price rises are having a big affect on the company I work for.

I heard a guy on the radio talking about the possibility of this happening last year sometime. He was an industry expert who was warning of the possibility prior to the referendum. Still, we’ve had enough of experts.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

have working class people in the north shown Their anger against Brexit?

Yep. They're just blaming it on numerous other things so they don't have to face up to the fact it was a massive error. It's called denial.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Those that said a thank you to the Conservative party for delivering Brexit at the recent elections?

Or hoodwinked into believing the problems being caused by it and the Tories had nothing to do with it.

Tories have cut council budgets - let's blame our Labour council for cutting services when they've got less money.

Beforehand we had no foodbanks. Now we've got 9! We've never had it so good!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Here you say it IS a disaster that’s in the present. Are you now retracting this statement and saying it needs to be judged sometime in the future?

It can be both a disaster now and prove to be a disaster long term as well.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

What are we to do ? Pay workers 4 pound an hour to compete

If they could get away with it damn right they would.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Currently beef from Australia is subject to 20% tariffs so British farmers can compete against it. Take that 20% away and British farmers can’t compete. It’s as simple as that.

Even with the logistical and qualitative disadvantage that importing meat from the other side of the globe brings? What do Ozzie cows eat?

 

[PVA]

 

[Grendel]

Yep. They're just blaming it on numerous other things so they don't have to face up to the fact it was a massive error. It's called denial.

I think its you that is constantly in denial

 

[Grendel]

Or hoodwinked into believing the problems being caused by it and the Tories had nothing to do with it.

Tories have cut council budgets - let's blame our Labour council for cutting services when they've got less money.

Beforehand we had no foodbanks. Now we've got 9! We've never had it so good!

So you'd rather have zero foodbanks?

 

[PVA]

Fucking hell. It's actually incredible how Tory fanboys keep missing the point about foodbanks.

 

[SBAndy]

So you'd rather have zero foodbanks?

I’d rather live in a society where people are adequately remunerated so that they can afford basic costs of living. And that would then lead to no (or very very few) food banks.

Come on, you’re smarter than this.

 

[Nick]

I’d rather live in a society where people are adequately remunerated so that they can afford basic costs of living. And that would then lead to no (or very very few) food banks.

Come on, you’re smarter than this.

That should include learning about money properly in schools too I think.

 

[wingy]

New Zealand?

Maybe our lamb won't cost 100 pound for 4 chops anymore

Seriously though I don't know what to say mate

Two lovely lamb steaks from either Aldi or Asda only around £3-20, might be from currently from Oz and NZ
Shock horror price now £4-00.

 

[SBAndy]

That should include learning about money properly in schools too I think.

Yep, would agree on that. Think I had one lesson on budgeting at school.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Two lovely lamb steaks from either Aldi or Asda only around £3-20, might be from currently from Oz and NZ
Shock horror price now £4-00.

It was Waitrose, be honest

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That should include learning about money properly in schools too I think.

It's not like we don't! In amidst sex education, radicalisation, British values, racism, sexism, LGBT issues, critical thinking and so on, household budgeting is on most PSHE specs

 

[shmmeee]

Didn't we lose massey ferguson and Peugeot pretty much whilst in the EU .

Manufacturers etc always looking to make cars/parts as cheap as possible , not entirely sure it wouldn't still be happening even if we were in the EU .

People losing their livelihoods is a horrible event , one that's been going on for many many many years .

What are we to do ? Pay workers 4 pound an hour to compete

Thats what trade barriers are for. We can’t compete because we have higher worker and product standards so we add tariffs to equalise it. In theory we should band together with other countries in a similar position so that we can both be stronger in negotiations with these large blocks undercutting us and liberalise trade amongst ourselves.

Oh wait

 

[shmmeee]

That should include learning about money properly in schools too I think.

Not sure what school you went to

 

[skybluetony176]

Or hoodwinked into believing the problems being caused by it and the Tories had nothing to do with it.

Tories have cut council budgets - let's blame our Labour council for cutting services when they've got less money.

Beforehand we had no foodbanks. Now we've got 9! We've never had it so good!

Listen. Food banks are uplifting. Man of the people Jacob Rees-Mogg said so and if anyone understands struggle it’s JRM.

 

[wingy]

Didn't we lose massey ferguson and Peugeot pretty much whilst in the EU .

Manufacturers etc always looking to make cars/parts as cheap as possible , not entirely sure it wouldn't still be happening even if we were in the EU .

People losing their livelihoods is a horrible event , one that's been going on for many many many years .

What are we to do ? Pay workers 4 pound an hour to compete

Not sure it was that for Massey's Evo.
Being both Canadian/British company.
Poland wasn't any where EU then.
Not even sure we were completely right tied into it at that point .

 

[skybluetony176]

Even with the logistical and qualitative disadvantage that importing meat from the other side of the globe brings? What do Ozzie cows eat?

I think it’s more to do with scale of production than anything else. They can produce it in vast quantities because of the amount of land available. Brazil is even bigger, 2nd only to the US and that’s the other big target for a free trade deal.

 

[skybluetony176]

Two lovely lamb steaks from either Aldi or Asda only around £3-20, might be from currently from Oz and NZ
Shock horror price now £4-00.

That’s probably more to do with shipping costs than anything else. The cost to ship a standard 20 or 40ft container around the world has almost doubled over the last 6 months. I would think that stacks up too for specialists refrigerated containers coming from the other side of the world.

 

[Grendel]

I’d rather live in a society where people are adequately remunerated so that they can afford basic costs of living. And that would then lead to no (or very very few) food banks.

Come on, you’re smarter than this.

There are food banks or distribution centres across the western world so to have none will be a recognition that food poverty does not exist.

 

[skybluetony176]

Thats what trade barriers are for. We can’t compete because we have higher worker and product standards so we add tariffs to equalise it. In theory we should band together with other countries in a similar position so that we can both be stronger in negotiations with these large blocks undercutting us and liberalise trade amongst ourselves.

Oh wait

Yeah tariffs have only been sold as a barrier to trade while protectionism is bad. If we do sign a free trade deal it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against the FTA the EU and Australia have been negotiating. I would be seriously surprised if they sell the farmers down the road like our government seems willing to do. Time will tell.

 

[skybluetony176]

There are food banks or distribution centres across the western world so to have none will be a recognition that food poverty does not exist.

The use of food banks has gone up 50-fold under the Tories. There’s a statistic you can be proud of.