The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (7 Viewers)

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Grendel said:
Or the EU get a better deal?

Barnier needs to say what we owe. What is it Mart? Where is the Euro calculation in its articles for a country leaving the union? What is he asking for. Anyway I now know two firm remainers who want to leave asap as they let's say do not like Mr Barnier. A professional? Great - bring it on let's get merkel telling the British what we need to do and get in line.

Oh yes please bring it on

May said she will honour commitments. I read commitments as what we have agreed to, or are in a budget which we were part of. There are projects all over Europe depending on finance which has been pledged.

Merkel hasn’t time to do a civil servants job. One of our senior civil servants described Davis as „thick as mince“. Strange that he is leading the team. I think the EU has a better idea. Leave it to a civil servant and keep the politics out of it. The politicians come in at the end to approve or disapprove.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
So Davis is blind.

Either that or ridiculous. Take your pick. I like the thick as mince description myself.

Grendel · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
Either that or ridiculous. Take your pick. I like the thick as mince description myself.

If there are commitments Barnier will have spilled his guts by now. Of course Britain will honour the commitments within the eu constitution. You're the expert - where's the calculation - if it's zero it's zero

Grendel · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
Either that or ridiculous. Take your pick. I like the thick as mince description myself.

What's Barnier then? How do you think he is faring?

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

Sick Boy said:
"So I showed you another link saying that people like you are deluded." - hahaha EU migration is not to blame for homelessness. Still waiting for your proof that most non EU migration comes from the USA and Australia.

You mean when you twisted what I said as usual.

And ludicrous was the word she uses to describe you

Homes target may never be met, warns housing guru

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
So Davis is blind.

Take your pick. It’s the same in all directions.

Grendel · Oct 12, 2017

I just want to know what we owe under the eu articles dealing with departure from the union by a formula driven calculation.

Martcov? Where in the eu legislation is this? I can't find anything?

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
So the South should have got a vote to remain in the UK?

Shows how clueless you are.

Yes that’s exactly what I said. When is your Mensa membership being confirmed?

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Grendel said:
If there are commitments Barnier will have spilled his guts by now. Of course Britain will honour the commitments within the eu constitution. You're the expert - where's the calculation - if it's zero it's zero

I didn’t agree the budget or sign off any projects. Maybe you should ask the government as to what they have committed to. As Barnier just did.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
Yes that’s exactly what I said. When is your Mensa membership being confirmed?

About 27 years ago.

How about you?

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Grendel said:
I just want to know what we owe under the eu articles dealing with departure from the union by a formula driven calculation.

Martcov? Where in the eu legislation is this? I can't find anything?

You won’t. We don’t owe according to some formula. We signed off or voted on agreements such as the budget and various projects. That’s where you have to look. Where voted or signed.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
I didn’t agree the budget or sign off any projects. Maybe you should ask the government as to what they have committed to. As Barnier just did.

What did he confirm?

That no other deals are on the table until we bend over and get shafted by the EU.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
You mean when you twisted what I said as usual.

And ludicrous was the word she uses to describe you

Homes target may never be met, warns housing guru

I thought her figures were from 2004. she warned us then. How many local government housing was built as a result of the warnings?

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
You won’t. We don’t owe according to some formula. We signed off or voted on agreements such as the budget and various projects. That’s where you have to look. Where voted or signed.

We agreed a 3 year budget. That ends in 2 years. Barnier wants many multiples more.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
I thought her figures were from 2004. she warned us then. How many local government housing was built as a result of the warnings?

So you haven't read the article or you won't admit to it.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
What did he confirm?

That no other deals are on the table until we bend over and get shafted by the EU.

No idea if he confirmed any figure. I thought he used the word ‚precise‘ when referring to May‘s speech. Lack of precision. Lot of dodging going on.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
No idea if he confirmed any figure. I thought he used the word ‚precise‘ when referring to May‘s speech. Lack of precision. Lot of dodging going on.

You certainly are dodging.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
So you haven't read the article or you won't admit to it.

I read the one about the report from the woman who now works for Wimpey Houses who said her figures were very old, but the situation is worse now than then. No one acted on her report.

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
About 27 years ago.

How about you?

Isn’t an IQ test supposed to be a measurement of your reasoning and problem solving capabilities? Maybe you just pretending to not understand my plain English post and contrived it to mean something else for fun.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
I read the one about the report from the woman who now works for Wimpey Houses who said her figures were very old, but the situation is worse now than then. No one acted on her report.

Worse now than then because of migrants. But as usual you miss out the details.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
We agreed a 3 year budget. That ends in 2 years. Barnier wants many multiples more.

He wants what we have committed to. I don’t know what else apart from the budget. Davis should say what we agreed and Barnier should say what he thinks we agreed to. The real figure will be somewhere between the two figures.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

skybluetony176 said:
Isn’t an IQ test supposed to be a measurement of your reasoning and problem solving capabilities? Maybe you just pretending to not understand my plain English post and contrived it to mean something else for fun.

You talk in riddles. My intelligence gives me reasoning. Riddles without a precise result can't be worked out. So I struggle with you.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
Worse now than then because of migrants. But as usual you miss out the details.

I said it is worse. I cannot do a full analysis, but I have already listed some other factors besides migration.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
He wants what we have committed to. I don’t know what else apart from the budget. Davis should say what we agreed and Barnier should say what he thinks we agreed to. The real figure will be somewhere between the two figures.

It is a 2 year budget. So why does he want multiples of what we would pay even without rebates?

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
You certainly are dodging.

Learnt that from Grendel.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
It is a 2 year budget. So why does he want multiples of what we would pay even without rebates?

Read my above post. I don’t know. I don’t know what we have agreed to. Only our government does.

Sick Boy · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
Worse now than then because of migrants. But as usual you miss out the details.

Still wondering how you would solve homelessness?

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
I said it is worse. I cannot do a full analysis, but I have already listed some other factors besides migration.

Yes beside migration.

Lots more housing should have been built. But without migration dor the last 10.years thw homeless number would be well under half that it is now. Yet you and SB say it has nothing to do with it.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Still wondering how you would solve homelessness?

We need about a million new homes. But with EU rules we would need an extra 6 figure number on top each year. We can't plan for the future whilst following EU rules.

Are you still saying that mass immigration has had no effect on homelessness?

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
Yes beside migration.

Lots more housing should have been built. But without migration dor the last 10.years thw homeless number would be well under half that it is now. Yet you and SB say it has nothing to do with it.

So, what is your final solution? What shall we do with the migrants?

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
Read my above post. I don’t know. I don’t know what we have agreed to. Only our government does.

But what does Barnier say? The last time we heard they wanted over 100 billions.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
We need about a million new homes. But with EU rules we would need an extra 6 figure number on top each year. We can't plan for the future whilst following EU rules.

Are you still saying that mass immigration has had no effect on homelessness?

People are coming because of jobs. Less jobs less people.

Astute · Oct 12, 2017

martcov said:
So, what is your final solution? What shall we do with the migrants?

You know what I have said. Guarantee status for all migrants here and in the EU.

martcov · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
But what does Barnier say? The last time we heard they wanted over 100 billions.

That goes up and down. I keep hearing 60 million Euro. But, it is all speculation.

skybluetony176 · Oct 12, 2017

Astute said:
You talk in riddles. My intelligence gives me reasoning. Riddles without a precise result can't be worked out. So I struggle with you.

It took me about 20 attempts to explain to you that we’re going to have to renegotiate a trade deal with India when we leave the EU. You may well have a high IQ but it doesn’t seem to compensate for your lack of common sense and worldly knowledge. You seemed to think that us leaving the EU meant that the EU had to renegotiate their trade terms with India too.

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