The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (24 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Fuck me. What has dodgy American food got to do with it?

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[Grendel]

Believe me, the majority of the Italians I know in the UK would much rather be back in Italy. A lot of them i know over there would never even consider coming here either. There is also a culture of passing down accommodation within families which seems to work well.

The people living next to me can't believe their luck.

 

[martcov]

He's claiming the eu food standards are not applied. Given that a CWF study found the Netherlands to be one of the 5 worst countries for animal cruelty in terms of food standards that's pretty funny.

Was he talking of cruelty or food standards? Not ethical standards, but e.g. use of hormones.

 

[Sick Boy]

He's claiming the eu food standards are not applied. Given that a CWF study found the Netherlands to be one of the 5 worst countries for animal cruelty in terms of food standards that's pretty funny.

Fair enough if you would like to see animal welfare standards reduced to the point where chicken is bathed in chlorine and we are eating hormone injected beef. For an animal lover I would have thought you would be appalled.

 

[martcov]

The people living next to me can't believe their luck.

Jesus. I don’t know whether I’d like to live next to you...;-)

 

[Sick Boy]

The people living next to me can't believe their luck.

I actually knowa Sicilian couple who moved here for the weather, funnily enough!

 

[Sick Boy]

Jesus. I don’t know whether I’d like to live next to you...;-)

I think I would stick to conversations about Andy Thorn.

 

[Astute]

The millions who have come to the UK are the young and poor who want to better themselves. The rest are getting by at home with their families. They may well prefer that to the UK.

Yet they don't need somewhere to live when they get here?

 

[Astute]

Believe me, the majority of the Italians I know in the UK would much rather be back in Italy. A lot of them i know over there would never even consider coming here either. There is also a culture of passing down accommodation within families which seems to work well.

A lot of Italians have big families. How many families end up in each house?

And it doesn't pay them a wage either.

 

[Astute]

Italy has far bigger internal problems that are of its own doing and mindset.

Root Causes
- Drug and alcohol addiction
- domestic violence
-mental health issues
- sexual abuse
-child abuse
- lack of affordable accommodation

Lack of affordable housing?

Thought you said they passed their houses on so never had that problem.

 

[Sick Boy]

A lot of Italians have big families. How many families end up in each house?

And it doesn't pay them a wage either.

Do they? The Italian birth rate (for natives) is historically low. I think it's a stereotype.

What are you on about? How many families in each house? One?

 

[Grendel]

Was he talking of cruelty or food standards? Not ethical standards, but e.g. use of hormones.

No he was talking about price protectionism

 

[Sick Boy]

Lack of affordable housing?

Thought you said they passed their houses on so never had that problem.

I am talking about the UK.

 

[Sick Boy]

No he was talking about price protectionism

No I wasn't.

 

[Astute]

Do they? The Italian birth rate (for natives) is historically low. I think it's a stereotype.

What are you on about? How many families in each house? One?

And a lack of affordable housing? Make your mind up.

 

[Astute]

I am talking about the UK.

This is changing with equity release.

 

[Sick Boy]

And a lack of affordable housing? Make your mind up.

???

I said affordable housing in the UK, not Italy.

 

[Astute]

Believe me, the majority of the Italians I know in the UK would much rather be back in Italy. A lot of them i know over there would never even consider coming here either. There is also a culture of passing down accommodation within families which seems to work well.

Doesn't seem that way to me.

 

[Grendel]

No I wasn't.

Actually yes you were. You kept referring to cheap American food - you and Hawe Hawe spent ages on the thread talking about sub standard chlorine injected chicken.

A product deemed edible for human consumption by the eu food standards agency. It's a cheap import and that's why it's rejected.

 

[Sick Boy]

This is changing with equity release.

Let's hope so, the number of people in rental accommodation is a major concern.

 

[Astute]

Italy has far bigger internal problems that are of its own doing and mindset.

Root Causes
- Drug and alcohol addiction
- domestic violence
-mental health issues
- sexual abuse
-child abuse
- lack of affordable accommodation

Is it affordable housing in Italy or the UK?

 

[Sick Boy]

Actually yes you were. You kept referring to cheap American food - you and Hawe Hawe spent ages on the thread talking about sub standard chlorine injected chicken.

A product deemed edible for human consumption by the eu food standards agency. It's a cheap import and that's why it's rejected.

And hormone beef?

I wouldn't touch any of that rubbish. Would you be happy for our farmers to replicate those sort of standards to compete?

 

[Sick Boy]

Is it affordable housing in Italy or the UK?

Sorry I merged the 2 posts. Italy's problems are due to massive tax evasion, ranging from the super rich to everyday people. It is seen as admirable to avoid paying taxes properly. And of course there is the mafia which has destroyed the country and is in every aspect of government and across the country. It is now so engrained I doubt it will ever be defeated.

 

[Grendel]

Fair enough if you would like to see animal welfare standards reduced to the point where chicken is bathed in chlorine and we are eating hormone injected beef. For an animal lover I would have thought you would be appalled.

It's Groundhog Day

Must I start posting rather unpleasant images of hormone injected horse and cattle meat supplied by many Southern Europe and Benelux states.

I won't eat it but it's not rejected for any concern about animal welfare (Spain and Italy I refuse to go to on holiday as I deplore societies that treat animals with such barbarism) but because it's cheap and the eu need to protect its own industry.

 

[Grendel]

And hormone beef?

I wouldn't touch any of that rubbish. Would you be happy for our farmers to replicate those sort of standards to compete?

Import ban on hormone from ‘blood farms’ is yet to be addressed by the European Commission – Reporting the EU – Spring 2017

 

[Sick Boy]

It's Groundhog Day

Must I start posting rather unpleasant images of hormone injected horse and cattle meat supplied by many Southern Europe and Benelux states.

I won't eat it but it's not rejected for any concern about animal welfare (Spain and Italy I refuse to go to on holiday as I deplore societies that treat animals with such barbarism) but because it's cheap and the eu need to protect its own industry.

I think that we have gone past Groundhog day on this thread. I actually agree with you and would like to see it wiped out completely not encourage it more and the EU should ensure it doesn't happen.

 

[martcov]

Yet they don't need somewhere to live when they get here?

Actually when I decided to leave Cov I just went. Went to Cannes for a few months, but the topless beaches, cheap wine and red hot sun got to me. I was happy to move to the Oktoberfest. Loads of beer, decent women and some rain. Rejoice. Lived in a tent at a big camp site until I got some work, and then lived in cheap hotels. When I came back to the UK having given up my job before leaving for France, I went to London and got a job in a pub within 2 hours. I lived in a pub for a couple of years, but still had my owned flat in Cov which I rented out. Good times financially. „Live in“ accommodation in London, didn’t spend anything as people bought me drinks as tips ( wasn’t allowed to take money, but rang everything in the till ) and my boss invited me out on my free days with the extra profit from ringing in my „half pint“ tips. Had so many drinks bought me. I reckon a lot of young people in catering jobs live in as they cannot afford London prices for accommodation. Maybe you would have classed me as homeless as I didn’t have security of tenure or a rental contract. Don’t know how that is classed.

 

[martcov]

It's Groundhog Day

Must I start posting rather unpleasant images of hormone injected horse and cattle meat supplied by many Southern Europe and Benelux states.

I won't eat it but it's not rejected for any concern about animal welfare (Spain and Italy I refuse to go to on holiday as I deplore societies that treat animals with such barbarism) but because it's cheap and the eu need to protect its own industry.

We are still in the EU. Do you know what our representatives have said or done on these matters?

 

[Grendel]

We are still in the EU. Do you know what our representatives have said or done on these matters?

That question makes no sense.

 

[martcov]

That question makes no sense.

Don’t we have anyone on some sort of commission? Who regulates live stock in the EU? We had Farage on the Fisheries Commission. He hardly ever went, but he was our representative there.

 

[Astute]

Don’t we have anyone on some sort of commission? Who regulates live stock in the EU? We had Farage on the Fisheries Commission. He hardly ever went, but he was our representative there.

Don't we have 28....soon to be 27 countries that have to agree on any change?

 

[skybluetony176]

Again they have a solution that can has worked through via a form of negotiation.

The key point of the quote is twofold. The acknowledgement that a bespoke arrangement will need to be found and that the scare story of a "hard border" is exactly that. It's not ever going to be barbed wire and long queues with armed officer which is the image deliberately being conjured up.

Like it or not in the end people will be allowed movement through and we will not - as the UDP have stated - be in the customs union. The Eu and it's supporters really must be getting desperate if this is the kind of scare stories that are being used to try and make a case for remain.

It works via Norway’s membership of the EEA you moron. If you’re happy the we join the EEA post brexit, continue to contribute to the EU’s budget while having no say on the decision they make and allow for the free movement of people, goods and services with the EU then fine. It’s not just Swedes and Norwegians that can cross the border by the way, it’s anyone from the EU. It would also influence our trade deals that we’d have to negotiate with the rest of the world as we’d still be tied into certain rules and regulations of the EU. As Cameron pointed out to Ferage during their televised debates that would leave us half in half out and I’m pretty sure that’s not what most people who voted out voted for. Or so they keep telling us anyway.

 

[Sick Boy]

 

[skybluetony176]

Norway aren't in the customs union. Switzerland are not either. The EFTA is not the customs union. Switzerland as an example have an entirely independent free trade arrangement with china.

From the link you provided “To keep up the flow of goods and enjoy the benefits of low or zero tariffs when companies trade, Norway has committed to harmonise its commercial rules with those of the EU“ a custom union in all but name. It also means that that EU policy shapes Norway’s trade with other countries outside of the EU. For instance if the Norway wants a favourable trade deal with the USA and the USA insists that Norway must take US poultry and beef products for that deal to happen Norway can’t except that deal under it’s current arrangement with the EU.

 

[Astute]

From the link you provided “To keep up the flow of goods and enjoy the benefits of low or zero tariffs when companies trade, Norway has committed to harmonise its commercial rules with those of the EU“ a custom union in all but name. It also means that that EU policy shapes Norway’s trade with other countries outside of the EU. For instance if the Norway wants a favourable trade deal with the USA and the USA insists that Norway must take US poultry and beef products for that deal to happen Norway can’t except that deal under it’s current arrangement with the EU.

The UK is already adapted to this. So what is the problem if talks end up going this way?