Astute
Well-Known Member
So you are happy for countries to lose all rights to their own finances?
What a bloody joke.
So you are happy for countries to lose all rights to their own finances?Are you complaining about being outvoted? Not long ago you were a democrat asking the people who were outvoted to get over it. Make your mind up. Are you a democrat who accepts being outvoted or are you just a moaner?
We have a central bank. We need greater financial cohesion and a fairer vat system. In order to get that we need an EU finance minister and ministry. There will also have to be a transfer system to help countries like Greece who cannot get out of trouble under their own steam.
The countries in the EU will have to agree to whatever system is needed in order to progress. The EU is not a foreign power to members of the EU. It will be to us though.
What is your solution to inequality in Europe? Quit?
Is this more excuses for the remain lies?There’s a big difference between outlandish claims of what could have happened after brexit and outright lies. Even the opening gambit of the article is incorrect as was the bus. The Gross figure is actually £360M not £350M, the nett figure is closer to £270M IIRC, of which a lot also comes back to the UK as subsidies and funding for various projects (don’t recall the exact amount of the top of my head) so not was the figure on the bus incorrect it was also a lie because there never was £350M sent out never to be seen again that could have been spent on the NHS. When you consider the people who come up with the campaign they either knew it to be untrue or worryingly they’re so incompetent they didn’t realise that they were driving around with something completely untrue on the side of the bus. I say worryingly because some of these people are in government and in senior positions. I’m thinking specifically of Gove, Boris and Davies here. Gulp.
Remain made false predictions..... but, not necessarily in all cases. Time will tell. We haven’t left yet, but things are not looking rosy. Leaving is proving more complicated than people believed or said. Nothing positive has happened yet. We have no deals, we are still paying into the EU and although EU citizens are leaving, we still havé a housing and infrastructure crisis. People are having to watch their pebbles a bit more as inflation kicks in.
So you are happy for countries to lose all rights to their own finances?
What a bloody joke.
Is this more excuses for the remain lies?
Come on. You can do it. Admit that both sides were telling lies.
Any problems the UK have are nothing to the nightmares facing your beloved and doomed EU project.
Enjoy it while you can.
Is this more excuses for the remain lies?
Come on. You can do it. Admit that both sides were telling lies.
I am happy to have a cohesive tax and VAT policy. It prevents uncutting each other and big companies getting tax dodging loopholes. A few posts ago you were calling for Luxemburg to be punished ( or one man from Luxemburg) for undercutting other EU countries. The only way to stop that is to have a control on tax levied within certain limits. Now you are on Luxemburg‘s side opposing control on tax dodges. Make your mind up.
So you want the European Union to have control over the uks taxation strategy. There we have it.
So you want the European Union to have control over the uks taxation strategy. There we have it.
Are you playing thick about the link? I think you need to read.it again if you have done at all.I am happy to have a cohesive tax and VAT policy. It prevents uncutting each other and big companies getting tax dodging loopholes. A few posts ago you were calling for Luxemburg to be punished ( or one man from Luxemburg) for undercutting other EU countries. The only way to stop that is to have a control on tax levied within certain limits. Now you are on Luxemburg‘s side opposing control on tax dodges. Make your mind up.
Cameron predicted he would have talks with Juncker as they had already been arranged. Juncker said they hadn't and wouldn't be happening.You don’t see the difference between predictions that haven’t come true- yet - and downright lies.
See my Cameron v Juncker comment that is on this page and the page before it that none of you have mentioned.Predicting the future and getting it wrong isn’t lying. Driving around with a factually misleading and inaccurate figure on the side of a bus is. Unless they’re so incompetent that they didn’t know the figure was £10M out as a gross figure and almost £100M out as a nett figure. Before you even start to consider the money that comes back in subsidies and funding there never was £350M to spend on the NHS instead was there. They were happy to tell people there was and people believed it and people voted on it.
The EU wants to take over all finances. Nothing to do with stopping tax loopholes.You don’t think it would be a good idea to set a minimum level on Taxes across the EU to stop countries like Ireland, Luxembourg and The Netherlands allowing companies to take tax money out of other EU countries and avoid paying taxes in the country where they earn that money? Are you saying you actively promote tax loopholes for some of the wealthiest companies in the world?
Max and min limits on corporation tax and VAT. Astute and I agree that countries like Luxemburg shouldn’t allow big companies to pay less tax there than elsewhere in the EU. Close those tax loopholes. I thought the U.K. would be for that. Maybe not as the new investigation by the EU of U.K. tax dodging schemes for certain companies seems to suggest.
The EU wants to take over all finances. Nothing to do with stopping tax loopholes.
Don't you think it would be very ironic if that was what Juncker had announced?
Why are you chatting bollox again?You’ve spent the last few pages moaning about Luxembourg being a tax haven in the EU as a criticism of its former leader. A solution like harmonising minimum tax rates is suggested and you don’t like that either. How do you suggest the EU stop places like Luxembourg becoming tax havens within the EU if it’s not by harmonising minimum tax rates?
Why are you chatting bollox again?
Just so you don't try twisting what the EU are planning to do again......they are planning to take over the complete finances of countries. It is not to stop them from doing what Juncker did with Luxembourg.
Cameron predicted he would have talks with Juncker as they had already been arranged. Juncker said they hadn't and wouldn't be happening.
That was one of them that came true before the vote.
I don’t want one piece of legislation to be decided by Europe in particular taxation. The public never had an opportunity to vote on Lisbon and Maastricht. They now have and it’s no thanks.
This is nothing to go with tax dodging schemes - it’s to do with an elected government in its own country deciding fiscal policy.
The EU wants to take over all finances. Nothing to do with stopping tax loopholes.
Don't you think it would be very ironic if that was what Juncker had announced?
The EU wants to take over all finances. Nothing to do with stopping tax loopholes.
Don't you think it would be very ironic if that was what Juncker had announced?
Are you playing thick about the link? I think you need to read.it again if you have done at all.
It is fuck all to do with harmonised tax rates. It is nothing to do with Juncker and Luxembourg. Like I said earlier could you imagine the irony if what you are trying to say was true?I’ll try again. You’ve spent the last few pages moaning about Luxembourg being a tax haven in the EU as a criticism of its former leader. A solution like harmonising minimum tax rates is suggested and you don’t like that either. How do you suggest the EU stop places like Luxembourg becoming tax havens within the EU if it’s not by harmonising minimum tax rates?
There to be one more like.I did read it and I did ask you what the Mail meant in the title when they referred to Juncker wanting „chancellor“.
So how did you take what is going on to be about tax when it isn't even mentioned?I think it is ironic that you complain when Luxemburg offers cheaper tax rates, as does Ireland, and then when the Commission led by Juncker comes up with a policy agenda to stop this, you moan again that the EU is interfering in countries’ tax affairs. Either it is right that Luxemburg can do what it likes, so stop criticising Juncker for his time as Luxemburg PM, or it is wrong that countries can undercut each other, in which case stop criticising Juncker for his policy agenda. He cannot be wrong on both counts.
It is fuck all to do with harmonised tax rates. It is nothing to do with Juncker and Luxembourg. Like I said earlier could you imagine the irony if what you are trying to say was true?
And yet again you ignore what is going on and change the subject. Well done.You still didn’t answer the question. Third time lucky maybe. How else do you suggest that they stop countries like Luxembourg becoming tax havens within the EU? You were the one concerned about it let’s hear your suggestions as to how that can be addressed if not this way.
And yet again you ignore what is going on and change the subject. Well done.
I would suspend Juncker and have a full investigation into how the massive tax dodge was set up. The EU say that they are looking into it. But strangely enough Juncker is still in place.
Suspicion?Yes right. Suspend him on suspicion. You could do that with Trump whilst you’re at it.
And yet again you ignore what is going on and change the subject. Well done.
I would suspend Juncker and have a full investigation into how the massive tax dodge was set up. The EU say that they are looking into it. But strangely enough Juncker is still in place.
Suspicion?
The EU are looking into the tax dodge that Luxembourg have done. It has lost many billions to EU countries through lost tax revenues. There is no doubt on any of it. Juncker was in charge of Luxembourg when it all started. There is no doubt on the matter.
So what makes you think that Juncker is innocent?
You said many times that we should chase tax owed here. But now it concerns Juncker you don't seem to want it to be followed up.
Why should he continue to be one of the most powerful people in the EU when there is a fraud case being investigated by the EU and he is involved in it?
The EU themselves have called it tax fraud. Fraud is a crime.You seem to be assuming that EU regulations have been broken here. If they haven’t then Junker hasn’t done anything wrong. The issue is then that EU countries are allowed to set themselves up as tax havens within the EU. How are you going to address that?
The EU themselves have called it tax fraud. Fraud is a crime.
But you want him to be seen as innocent of all charges.
He should be suspended until the investigation is complete. Then he can't influence anything. If he stays in his position and it is agreed that it is fraud but nothing happens about the person running the country when it was set up it will always be seen as a cover up.
So what about the link you are ignoring again?
So why do you say he shouldn't be suspended while the investigation happens?I haven’t said he’s innocent of all charges at all. I don’t know either way same as you don’t. No one will know until a conclusion is reached from the investigation. If he’s found to have been guilty in assisting this I hope they throw the book at him and take measures to stop this happening. If he’s found innocent then the system is the issue and measures will need taking to address this. Remember it’s not just Luxembourg who are being looked at, it’s Ireland and the Netherlands also. This is a bigger issue than Luxembourg and Junker.
The question that you keep ignoring is what measures post investigation are you going to take to stop it happening again. Punishing Junker is a deterrent maybe but doesn’t address the issue. So other than harmonising the lower tax rates how are you going to address it?
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