Astute
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Of course it is of little interest to you. It is of little interest to all the pro EU lot.
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clint van damme
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I haven't joined in with any of the junker stuff, it doesn't interest me at all. I don't care who is head of the EU, I was interested when we were in and I'm not interested now we're leaving.
I'm more concerned with the rabble running this country.
Must be just the 'neutrals' like you.
Astute
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Jean-Claude Juncker blocked EU curbs on tax avoidance, cables show
Things have moved on since this. But lets take a look at the Guardian view.
Fit to hold office and chase up tax avoidance?
Things have moved on since this. But lets take a look at the Guardian view.
Fit to hold office and chase up tax avoidance?
Astute
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clint van damme
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I'm really not interested in them. I haven't made one negative or positive comment about any individual from the EU in this thread except farage and that's because he's high profile in the UK.
And yes we're still in but it won't be for long so now would be a strange time to start taking an interest in junker and his ilk.
Astute
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Nobody on here likes Farage. So what is your point?
Juncker is much more high profile. But you and the other pro EU lot have a good reason.....if not many good reasons for not wanting to talk about him.
I will as soon as my citizenship is through. Already having the young FDP meetings in my pub.
clint van damme
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I'm not interested in the individuals of the EU, not sure what your struggling to understand. I know fuck all about Junker and have only briefly flicked through the posts about him between you and Sickboy.
Junker may be more high profile than farage but not to me.
I'm not pro EU, I'm pro the UK staying in the EU at the moment and for the foreseeable future, I'm still convinced brexit will be a car crash.
Astute
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Grendel
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The irony is Nigel Farage is a typical MEP. A glory hunter and who sits in Brussels quaffing champagne on expenses. I’ve been to restaurants in Brussels and they actually hand you blank receipts to fill in what you want to claim.
Astute
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So you want to stay in the EU where they are investigating 17 people running it for fraud and are not interested in any of it?
clint van damme
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I thought you didn't like anecdotal evidence?! I don't have the slightest doubt that that is true.
clint van damme
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that should tell you what a low opinion I have of the morals and ability of our current government, (cue what about corbyn posts!)
Astute
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Here is one link. How many would you like?
JUNCKER BACKLASH: 83,000 sign economist’s petition calling for EU president to RESIGN
clint van damme
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talking of the current government, they still haven't published the Brexit impact papers. Surely if they paint a rosy picture they should get them published and shut the naysayers up once and for all?
Astute
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So how will we know what the impact will be when the EU....Juncker included.....refuse to talk about trade?
Astute
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clint van damme
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we don't know for sure we can only surmise but every eventuality should have been anticipated and a strategy for dealing with it in place, I don't think it has been and I think a no deal would give us a serious problem.
We triggered article 50 too early and we're in too much of a rush to be out by March 19. Not a fan of May but I agree with her attempts to slow the process down but it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
Astute
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So if you admit that we don't know for sure then how can anything be said with any degree of certainty on the impact?
We will have an idea once the EU decide to talk and not before.
clint van damme
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I just weigh up what I read and my conclusion is it will be bad. Never said I know for definite, no one does. But I actually now think it will be worse than I did when I voted remain.
Astute
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It will be as good or bad as the EU wants. The EU countries want a good deal. They also have a lot to lose.
To me it is down to two things. How much does the EU want to punish us for leaving and how much do they want it to go wrong for us to put other countries off leaving.
Yes, I keep saying we need a cohesive tax system to prevent this. Juncker wants it too - the cynics in the article say he wants to say he tried....knowing that the countries like Luxembourg will block any attempts to do away with their veto.
Whatever.
He says it could happen and was foreseen in the Lisbon agreement.
I think he has made a fortune and is no longer interested in tax dodges. Wants to leave on a good note. Poacher turned gamekeeper.
I just hope that Brexit makes the EU reform.
Juncker seems to be good at wriggling out of things. Hard to prove illegal activity.
Got out of that by denying knowledge. Yes quite an adapt dodger.
Who from the EU said he had committed fraud?
What happened to the petition?
He just denied everything and said no, I won’t resign?
Astute
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Juncker was Pm of Luxembourg. At the same time he was in charge of the finances.
Either he lied when he said he knew nothing of the scams or he was highly negligent. Either way he shouldn't be in his present role.
Apparently no proof against Juncker and he said you shouldn’t judge on the past, but see what the commission is doing now.
The commission is fighting hard against tax evasion since 2014...
Gets him off the hook...
Just hope his successor keeps up the fight against tax evasion..
He was elected by a sort of electoral college like Trump. It would s hard to remove a president. But, he say he will not stand in 2019. roll on 2019.
Kingokings204
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Not sure your point. I actually agree with every thing you just said. So why the last comment?
Kingokings204
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Why is that?
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Kingokings204
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We triggered article 50 too early? We triggered far too late in my opinion. 1 or maybe 2 months but 9 was taking the Mickey a bit in my view. We had the vote, leave won what was their to think about? My point being we voted to get out of this cesspit of a unelected gravy train (my view) one of the greatest things about voting to leave was to get on with free trade across the world and take away lots of burdens being it silly taxes or endless legislations. The more we are in the EU like we currently are we can't sign anything or do anything. That's why I'm so opposed to transitional deals. No one voted for a transitional deal. It never came up once from either side. If we have this transitional deal of "around" 2 years it's could be longer of course and all the while we still can't do any of the above whilst still paying in billions and billions and adhering to all their rules without any votes. It's lunacy of the highest order and thats the really big shame to it for me. Massive shame in fact.
Sick Boy
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Apologies I thought you were claiming that pay and conditions were far superior here!!
Sick Boy
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Massively disagree. A50 should have been triggered when we were ready and full prepared. It happened far too early and it will end up costing the country in the long run.
Even a head of a leave organisation believes it was triggered way too early and we are massively underprepared. Can't remember his name now though.
Kingokings204
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No. Crossed wires there. Sure we will find something else to debate on :finger:
Kingokings204
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Well I won't really disagree with your post. It's a fair point but your post ignores my points about voting to leave and getting on with it for the reasons I listed.
Sick Boy
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It's going to take decades to sort out, IMO. It has been rushed and long-term that's bad news for those wishing to leave as it is more unlikely to be a success. It should have been properly planned and thought out, now the whole thing looks like a shames.
It's good to see the Davis saying he'd be happy with associate citizenship for UK citizens. This could certainly be good news for people like @Astute.
Astute
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It won't take decades. That is worse than the scare tactics by the remain side.
We are one of the richest countries in the world. We won't suddenly become poor just because we leave something we didn't agree to join.
We agreed to join the Common Market. Look what it has become but worse of all what it could become. We signed up to make buying and selling easier with a few countries.
The scare stories have always been about. The last big one was we would be left behind if we didn't join the Euro. But not joining the Euro was the best thing we ever did in the EU.
We sell lots more outside the EU than in it. Being in the EU stops us from making trade deals outside the EU.
The EU countries still want and need to trade with us. We buy a lot more than we sell in the EU. This will still happen if tariffs start. If our economy sufferers the pound will drop. This would more than make up for the tariffs that we are charged. But it would make the stuff that we buy even more expensive on top of the tariffs from the EU. So they would suffer even more. So we would buy more from elsewhere. Who would be the loser there?
As I have been saying to you the UK has put together a deal on the right to reside for those who have already emigrated. It is being held up bu the EU. They have called it 'small technicalities'. The problem is that they have said we must come to an agreement on money owed, residential rights and what will happen with the Irish border before they will talk about trade deals. This is well said to be a wrong order and a big mistake. How can they decide on the Irish border without knowing what sort of trade deal there will be? Full WTO tariffs would be much more difficult to agree on the border than if tariff free trading is agreed on. But to the EU it is all about the money they can get out of us.
It is much better news for you. It will give the right to be able to bring to the UK family that would otherwise have no rights to be here. So your partner from Italy could live here even if you didn't meet until after Brexit is signed. And those not born in the UK but have residency would have the same rights.
I would be happy just to follow CCFC for 9 months of the year home and away and go away for closed season :smuggrin: Strangely enough the wife wants Europe more. But we will be frequently back leaving motorhome wherever we have got to and getting flights. The wife won't want to miss out on kids, grand kids and so on. And I won't want to miss out on the football.