Astute
Well-Known Member
Of course it is of little interest to you. It is of little interest to all the pro EU lot.
Of course it is of little interest to you. It is of little interest to all the pro EU lot.why, I haven't took part in that on-going debate, it's of little interest to me but I've decided to rejoin for this strand of the thread - I didn't realise you were overseeing who could join in where.
Of course it is of little interest to you. It is of little interest to all the pro EU lot.
Of course you are.I haven't joined in with any of the junker stuff, it doesn't interest me at all. I don't care who is head of the EU, I was interested when we were in and I'm not interested now we're leaving.
I'm more concerned with the rabble running this country.
Must be just the 'neutrals' like you.
Of course you are.
And BTW we are still in it.
Nobody on here likes Farage. So what is your point?I'm really not interested in them. I haven't made one negative or positive comment about any individual from the EU in this thread except farage and that's because he's high profile in the UK.
And yes we're still in but it won't be for long so now would be a strange time to start taking an interest in junker and his ilk.
Ah just ignoring the points raised then - you should apply to join the gravy train - they’d love you.
Nobody on here likes Farage. So what is your point?
Juncker is much more high profile. But you and the other pro EU lot have a good reason.....if not many good reasons for not wanting to talk about him.
I'm really not interested in them. I haven't made one negative or positive comment about any individual from the EU in this thread except farage and that's because he's high profile in the UK.
And yes we're still in but it won't be for long so now would be a strange time to start taking an interest in junker and his ilk.
So you want to stay in the EU where they are investigating 17 people running it for fraud and are not interested in any of it?I'm not interested in the individuals of the EU, not sure what your struggling to understand. I know fuck all about Junker and have only briefly flicked through the posts about him between you and Sickboy.
Junker may be more high profile than farage but not to me.
I'm not pro EU, I'm pro the UK staying in the EU at the moment and for the foreseeable future, I'm still convinced brexit will be a car crash.
The irony is Nigel Farage is a typical MEP. A glory hunter and who sits in Brussels quaffing champagne on expenses. I’ve been to restaurants in Brussels and they actually hand you blank receipts to fill in what you want to claim.
So you want to stay in the EU where they are investigating 17 people running it for fraud and are not interested in any of it?
Here is one link. How many would you like?No one gets prosecuted for legal loopholes. Who in the EU called it fraud? And what transaction broke the law?
So how will we know what the impact will be when the EU....Juncker included.....refuse to talk about trade?talking of the current government, they still haven't published the Brexit impact papers. Surely if they paint a rosy picture they should get them published and shut the naysayers up once and for all?
So how will we know what the impact will be when the EU....Juncker included.....refuse to talk about trade?
So if you admit that we don't know for sure then how can anything be said with any degree of certainty on the impact?we don't know for sure we can only surmise but every eventuality should have been anticipated and a strategy for dealing with it in place, I don't think it has been and I think a no deal would give us a serious problem.
We triggered article 50 too early and we're in too much of a rush to be out by March 19. Not a fan of May but I agree with her attempts to slow the process down but it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
So if you admit that we don't know for sure then how can anything be said with any degree of certainty on the impact?
We will have an idea once the EU decide to talk and not before.
It will be as good or bad as the EU wants. The EU countries want a good deal. They also have a lot to lose.I just weigh up what I read and my conclusion is it will be bad. Never said I know for definite, no one does. But I actually now think it will be worse than I did when I voted remain.
Here is one link. How many would you like?
JUNCKER BACKLASH: 83,000 sign economist’s petition calling for EU president to RESIGN
Juncker was Pm of Luxembourg. At the same time he was in charge of the finances.Yes, I keep saying we need a cohesive tax system to prevent this. Juncker wants it too - the cynics in the article say he wants to say he tried....knowing that the countries like Luxembourg will block any attempts to do away with their veto.
Whatever.
He says it could happen and was foreseen in the Lisbon agreement.
I think he has made a fortune and is no longer interested in tax dodges. Wants to leave on a good note. Poacher turned gamekeeper.
I just hope that Brexit makes the EU reform.
Juncker seems to be good at wriggling out of things. Hard to prove illegal activity.
Juncker was Pm of Luxembourg. At the same time he was in charge of the finances.
Either he lied when he said he knew nothing of the scams or he was highly negligent. Either way he shouldn't be in his present role.
The stories I have to listen to most weeks about the NHS are very concerning, especially working 13 hour shifts with no break and having only 2 midwives working a shift in a major city due to shortages. The pay in Italy is not far off now considering the exchange rate, oh and the shifts are only 8 hours.
You know best though, I suppose.
I just weigh up what I read and my conclusion is it will be bad. Never said I know for definite, no one does. But I actually now think it will be worse than I did when I voted remain.
we don't know for sure we can only surmise but every eventuality should have been anticipated and a strategy for dealing with it in place, I don't think it has been and I think a no deal would give us a serious problem.
We triggered article 50 too early and we're in too much of a rush to be out by March 19. Not a fan of May but I agree with her attempts to slow the process down but it appears to be falling on deaf ears.
Not sure your point. I actually agree with every thing you just said. So why the last comment?
We triggered article 50 too early? We triggered far too late in my opinion. 1 or maybe 2 months but 9 was taking the Mickey a bit in my view. We had the vote, leave won what was their to think about? My point being we voted to get out of this cesspit of a unelected gravy train (my view) one of the greatest things about voting to leave was to get on with free trade across the world and take away lots of burdens being it silly taxes or endless legislations. The more we are in the EU like we currently are we can't sign anything or do anything. That's why I'm so opposed to transitional deals. No one voted for a transitional deal. It never came up once from either side. If we have this transitional deal of "around" 2 years it's could be longer of course and all the while we still can't do any of the above whilst still paying in billions and billions and adhering to all their rules without any votes. It's lunacy of the highest order and thats the really big shame to it for me. Massive shame in fact.
Apologies I thought you were claiming that pay and conditions were far superior here!!
Massively disagree. A50 should have been triggered when we were ready and full prepared. It happened far too early and it will end up costing the country in the long run.
Even a head of a leave organisation believes it was triggered way too early and we are massively underprepared. Can't remember his name now though.
Well I won't really disagree with your post. It's a fair point but your post ignores my points about voting to leave and getting on with it for the reasons I listed.
It's going to take decades to sort out, IMO. It has been rushed and long-term that's bad news for those wishing to leave as it is more unlikely to be a success. It should have been properly planned and thought out, now the whole thing looks like a shames.
It's good to see the Davis saying he'd be happy with associate citizenship for UK citizens. This could certainly be good news for people like @Astute.
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