The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (225 Viewers)

Astute · Dec 20, 2017

Sick Boy said:
It's going to be far more accurate than Grendel's claims, which you appear to be believe are more reliable.

Do you really believe that 70% of Labour voters in Labour held constituencies voted leave?

I haven't said how many voted for who and where. What I pointed out is that YouGov have got every election wrong for years. Different parts.of the UK vote differently. So unless they ask people from every part of the UK and then find the average amount of voters in each area their numbers are wrong.

The good thing is governments still listen to them. May expected to get the majority as they said she would. Cameron decided when to have the Brexit vote as they said there was a large majority that were going to vote remain.

Has anyone here ever been asked by YouGov how they will vote?

martcov · Dec 20, 2017

Astute said:
And all is fine in the EU.

EU to act over Poland judiciary reforms

yes. Trying to stop undemocratic moves. No doubt you are over the moon as a democrat. One of the advantages of the EU.

Grendel · Dec 20, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Hahaha it's priceless, isn't it. Astute seems to think it has legs though so it must be right.

Sigh I will try again.

7 out of 10 labour seats are occupied where votes were leave. Many of these are traditional labour strongholds where the leave vote was especially high.

What you are failing to grasp is that there has been to my knowledge no poll of the last election that tried to ascertain how the voters voted on that issue when they left the ballot box.

The you gov poll you is a poll of members voting intention prior to the 2017 general election

If you apply the voting intention percentages to the 6 main parties and spread the percentage to the actual votes cast (e.g. 12,878,460 were labour voters and 65% means 8,370,999 votes remain) there would have been 17,362,713 votes remain and 14,189,274 to leave so a 55/45 in favour of remain.

Therefore statistically the analysis in the poll is not representing of voter intent from the last election

Is that clearer now?

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 20, 2017

Astute said:
And all is fine in the EU.

EU to act over Poland judiciary reforms

Exactly.

covcity4life · Dec 20, 2017

chavs shouldnt be allowed to vote

clint van damme · Dec 20, 2017

covcity4life said:
chavs shouldnt be allowed to vote

not really how a mature democracy works mate.

covcity4life · Dec 20, 2017

clint van damme said:
not really how a mature democracy works mate.

fuck off

martcov · Dec 20, 2017

covcity4life said:
fuck off

exactly. Proved your point.

clint van damme · Dec 20, 2017

covcity4life said:
fuck off

i always thought of you as a forum superman, too good to be tainted by curse words

a sad day

SkyblueBazza · Dec 20, 2017

martcov said:
She „won“.

No. It varied in 2016. Leave started doing well as from January. Remain as from Jo Cox‘s death. Then it was a slight lead and a slight loss until the day. Leave won by a small margin on the day

4% is a small margin? Yet if you offered a small 4% pay increase to 90% or more of average workers...I reckon they would rip your arm off!

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SkyblueBazza · Dec 20, 2017

martcov said:
What were the things that have moved too fast?

The general strategy of federal EU!

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SkyblueBazza · Dec 20, 2017

martcov said:
Who are they? The 28 present members?

Them & more especially the hidden faceless beaurocrats

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SkyblueBazza · Dec 20, 2017

dutchman said:
I wouldn't bet on that, the overwhelming majority of MPs are still pro-EU.

You really think they would vote for a deal heavily biased toward the EU? They value their seats in the house too much, because I am sure that even the most resolute remainers would not expect their MP to vote for a UK stitch-up deal!?

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dutchman · Dec 20, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
You really think they would vote for a deal heavily biased toward the EU?

Yes I do which is why I think the final terms should be put to a public referendum the same way they were in 1975.

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

So things are looking bleak for us?

The U.K. Tops Forbes' Best Countries For Business 2018

First time we have topped the list. Where has Germany gone? Where are all those strong EU countries gone?

clint van damme · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
So things are looking bleak for us?

The U.K. Tops Forbes' Best Countries For Business 2018

First time we have topped the list. Where has Germany gone? Where are all those strong EU countries gone?

You seriously think our economic outlook is better than Germanys?!

And I'm not sure how old his data is but Britain isn't the 5th largest economy in the world any more.

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
So things are looking bleak for us?

The U.K. Tops Forbes' Best Countries For Business 2018

First time we have topped the list. Where has Germany gone? Where are all those strong EU countries gone?

Errr Britain is still very much an EU country and shall remain so for the whole of 2018?

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

clint van damme said:
You seriously think our economic outlook is better than Germanys?!

And I'm not sure how old his data is but Britain isn't the 5th largest economy in the world any more.

Have you never heard of Forbes before?

Or did you read it and not want it to be true?

It isn't just an article by one person. If you would have read it properly you will have noticed that many things are used. And the only minus for us was political uncertainty. They also mentioned the possibility of 10,000 banking job losses. The rest is what has been ignored by the remainers.

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Errr Britain is still very much an EU country and shall remain so for the whole of 2018?

But the uncertainty of leaving was put into the numbers. But it is the outlook for the next year and years in the future.

Yet I get rubbished when I say that if things go wrong we should get back on our feet after a few years. Massive multinational companies are still investing here and have planned to since the Brexit vote. You will know this if you read the article.

But some people just won't accept good news. But they accept anything coming from someone like YouGov that are constantly wrong

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
But the uncertainty of leaving was put into the numbers. But it is the outlook for the next year and years in the future.

Yet I get rubbished when I say that if things go wrong we should get back on our feet after a few years. Massive multinational companies are still investing here and have planned to since the Brexit vote. You will know this if you read the article.

But some people just won't accept good news. But they accept anything coming from someone like YouGov that are constantly wrong

It says it is the outlook for 2018. I'm surprised that you haven't been asked to contribute to national publications with your clear expertise.

What is it exactly about the economy that makes you think the country will be back on its feet afree a few years? Apart from a biased hunch?

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

clint van damme said:
And I'm not sure how old his data is but Britain isn't the 5th largest economy in the world any more.

The world’s 10 biggest economies in 2017

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
The world’s 10 biggest economies in 2017

They must have made a mistake for 2050.

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

Sick Boy said:
It says it is the outlook for 2018. I'm surprised that you haven't been asked to contribute to national publications with your clear expertise.

What is it exactly about the economy that makes you think the country will be back on its feet afree a few years? Apart from a biased hunch?

I have explained many times. Are you saying that you have ignored me each time?

clint van damme · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
Have you never heard of Forbes before?

Or did you read it and not want it to be true?

It isn't just an article by one person. If you would have read it properly you will have noticed that many things are used. And the only minus for us was political uncertainty. They also mentioned the possibility of 10,000 banking job losses. The rest is what has been ignored by the remainers.

our economic outlook is poor and growth forecasts are constantly been down graded. I don't care what 1 article in Forbes says.

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Sharp cut to UK growth forecast
IMF downgrades UK growth expectations as Brexit creates "key uncertainty"

Nothing to do with leave voters or remain voters, ridiculous to mention it. Anyone who's been watching the economy knows things aren't looking good currently.

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
I have explained many times. Are you saying that you have ignored me each time?

I don't recall you detailing what it is exactly about the economy that makes you so confident. Could you please share?

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

Sick Boy said:
They must have made a mistake for 2050.

You are now showing your bias 100% on wanting things to go wrong and talking sown experts that have no bias towards us.

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

clint van damme said:
our economic outlook is poor and growth forecasts are constantly been down graded. I don't care what 1 article in Forbes says.

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Sharp cut to UK growth forecast
IMF downgrades UK growth expectations as Brexit creates "key uncertainty"

Nothing to do with leave voters or remain voters, ridiculous to mention it. Anyone who's been watching the economy knows things aren't looking good currently.

You are so funny.

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
You are now showing your bias 100% on wanting things to go wrong and talking sown experts that have no bias towards us.

What a ridiculous statement.

clint van damme · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
The world’s 10 biggest economies in 2017

we are now the 6th biggest economy and slipping, now due to the emerging economies that was probably going to happen anyway but it's still a fact.

Britain crashes out of world's top 5 economies

Of course Phillip Hammond could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time he's got his figures wrong.

martcov · Dec 21, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
4% is a small margin? Yet if you offered a small 4% pay increase to 90% or more of average workers...I reckon they would rip your arm off!

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The catering union here want at least 8%, which our employers would pay, if the workers accept more flexibility, No one wants 4% in this trade. Too little. So it is all relative. Changing the direction based on a small minority will cause division for years to come, especially if things go bandy.

clint van damme · Dec 21, 2017

Astute said:
You are so funny.

so our growth forecast haven't been constantly downgraded? OK then.

Sick Boy · Dec 21, 2017

clint van damme said:
so our growth forecast haven't been constantly downgraded? OK then.

Stop talking Britain down!!!

martcov · Dec 21, 2017

SkyblueBazza said:
The general strategy of federal EU!

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It wasn’t moving fast. It may speed up as a result of Brexit and the result of Trump and Putin‘s policies, or the growth of other blocs or powers such as China.

clint van damme · Dec 21, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Stop talking Britain down!!!

I've said it before, I would love to see the economy flying. My son leaves school next spring and I would want as many opportunities as possible available to him but I am very pessimistic based on what I read and what I see. I'm just been a realist. I could be wrong and hope I am but it's very difficult to find anything to be optimistic about.

Astute · Dec 21, 2017

Sick Boy said:
What a ridiculous statement.

Why is it?

A non biased well respected company that comes out with good news can't be proved wrong. Yet you try to. You either don't know how economics work or you are trying to prove them wrong.

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