For what it's worth, I reckon that the UK is going to end up 'doing a Norway', we will still have technically left the EU and delivered on the referendum question.
The government has backed down on so many issues and this will be the final one.
Watch this space
Both Russia and the UK are playing that game. Which party was it took us to the Falklands?
The only reason we couldn't pull off a 'Norway' is because we are leaving as opposed to not being a part of it and therefore you have the bitterness there.
It would be an entirely possible outcome if the people at the top across all parties behave like adults.
The only reason we couldn't pull off a 'Norway' is because we are leaving as opposed to not being a part of it and therefore you have the bitterness there.
It would be an entirely possible outcome if the people at the top across all parties behave like adults.
The only reason we couldn't pull off a 'Norway' is because we are leaving as opposed to not being a part of it and therefore you have the bitterness there.
It would be an entirely possible outcome if the people at the top across all parties behave like adults.
You mean you want to eat anyone & everyone's cake? Only a matter of time before you have a piece that makes you illNot really... still keeping my British citizenship... for global Britain.
You mean you want to eat anyone & everyone's cake? Only a matter of time before you have a piece that makes you ill
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At the moment most of the downsides of Brexit are still predictions rather than fact.
Where are the corresponding upsides of remaining?
What's the benefit in the long term for the UK? You can see by the behaviour of Juncker, Tusk et al that they do not care for the population of the UK, you and I are apparently EU citizens but the spirit of negotiations appear to care little about that but more about minimising loss of face for the EU.
I'm reading Dennis Skinner's autobiography at the minute, he's got it right about the EU, a capitalist club made to benefit large corporations that the Tories led us into.
I'd still vote to leave if there was a second referendum. Leaving is not the real issue here, the big issue is what our government does to manage any downside.
I'm not sure what doing a Norway means. It has rejected joining the EU twice with bigger victory margins than Brexit. Polls indicate that if they had another referendum the no vote would rise to over 70% so in my book that makes it an anti EU country.
If we replicate their model we will be replicating the model of a country more anti EU than the UK.
At the moment most of the downsides of Brexit are still predictions rather than fact.
Where are the corresponding upsides of remaining?
What's the benefit in the long term for the UK? You can see by the behaviour of Juncker, Tusk et al that they do not care for the population of the UK, you and I are apparently EU citizens but the spirit of negotiations appear to care little about that but more about minimising loss of face for the EU.
I'm reading Dennis Skinner's autobiography at the minute, he's got it right about the EU, a capitalist club made to benefit large corporations that the Tories led us into.
I'd still vote to leave if there was a second referendum. Leaving is not the real issue here, the big issue is what our government does to manage any downside.
Very patriotic of you.No. I mean I am hedging my bets.
The EU protects things like guaranteed paid holidays, equality and has anti discrimination rules and working hours rules as well as environmental directives etc..
I don't have any faith in the British electorate to seek an alternative either, they seem oblivious to the effects of austerity and the stuttering economy.
That is as patronising & offensive as the Remain group saying voting Brexit was racist & ill-informed. Maybe turn it around & look at yourself. Maybe the majority (under the electoral system we have in situe) vote are actually better informed, more knowledgeable etc than you? I really don't know...but it is what it is!
Fact is this apparently oblivious mass are there to have thier buttons pressed. Get the right arguments in place & thier attitudes & voting will change.
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That is as patronising & offensive as the Remain group saying voting Brexit was racist & ill-informed. Maybe turn it around & look at yourself. Maybe the majority (under the electoral system we have in situe) vote are actually better informed, more knowledgeable etc than you? I really don't know...but it is what it is!
Fact is this apparently oblivious mass are there to have thier buttons pressed. Get the right arguments in place & thier attitudes & voting will change.
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Meanwhile in the UK where we do still lead the way on some of these things - even if we have had to pick up the baton from others initially - adverse tinkering with any of such things will not win votes so stop with your scare stories.
As for UK citizens no longer being a priority for the EU moving forward...you seem to strongly advocate EU citizens being a priority for the UK.
Your attitude does seem to fit perfectly with the EU. I would tear up my UK passport & never set foot on UK soil again if I were you.
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Very patriotic of you.
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Denying nothing. Like you suggest, people will reach a point of discontent & vote against the party that does the most harm to their interestsit's true. You can deny it all you like. Perhaps should have said large parts of the British electorate but it still stands.
I'm sure the penny will drop eventually, (or things will improve, but I can't see it), but I don't know how long that will take.
I can accept Corbyn is not the answer for a lot of people but the apathy towards this current government is mind boggling. In this regard Brexit is a side issue because they'll pursue their agenda regardless.
I think you will find large swathes of the world where a British Passport receives a much warmer welcome than an EU one. But you will be manipulating things to suit yourself so it doesn't matter to you anyway.The UK is the problem, not me. The UK passport is now worth less than an EU one. Even if it is blue. The only way post Brexit to guarantee me unlimited residency and work rights in the EU,is to have an EU passport. Nothing to do with patriotism.
It's pretty simple. If we don't like the capitalist club government we have we can elect a different one. We do not have such an option with the EU.Tusk and Juncker and the EU care about EU citizens. The UK is leaving and as from then, UK citizens do not have the same priority for them.
If the EU is a capitalist club, what does that make the UK?
The EU protects things like guaranteed paid holidays, equality and has anti discrimination rules and working hours rules as well as environmental directives etc..
Voting is done on PR, or in the Council on PR with weighting to ensure that a couple of smaller population countries cannot force things disproportionately on others.
The EU is not allowed to reduce people‘s rights.
Maybe Corbyn‘s labour could create something less capitalist. Maybe.
What is certain, is that billionaires and millionaires are behind the media and anti EU campaigning/ targeting. I doubt whether the likes of Rees Mogg or Trump fan, Farage, are creating a socialist paradise to replace the EU or are there for the poor and just about managing. They may have fed them promises and lied to them, but I would not place their vision of Brexit Britain as less capitalist than the EU as things stand.
It's pretty simple. If we don't like the capitalist club government we have we can elect a different one. We do not have such an option with the EU.
I think you will find large swathes of the world where a British Passport receives a much warmer welcome than an EU one. But you will be manipulating things to suit yourself so it doesn't matter to you anyway.
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You just don't get it do you? The principles of the EU do not allow for anything different. Making life easy for multinational corporations is its raison d'etre.The population of the EU could elect different MEPs. The EU heads of states could be socialist if the demand were there. We can still elect socialists if we want to.
You just don't get it do you? The principles of the EU do not allow for anything different. Making life easy for multinational corporations is its raison d'etre.
No matter which MEPs are elected, they're working within the confines of the various EU treaties.
I think you will find large swathes of the world where a British Passport receives a much warmer welcome than an EU one. But you will be manipulating things to suit yourself so it doesn't matter to you anyway.
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Apparently, even the Mail admits that, the passport with access to the most countries is the German one. The British one is set to lose ground after Brexit.
As you say, having German and British is the best bet.
The most powerful passports are listed as Brexit threatens to restrict travel in the EU | Daily Mail Online
Why will Britain lose ground after Brexit? I’d like yiu to explain that as I know the criteria it’s based on - by the way one other country is equal to Germany and one rating considers it greater.
Ask the Daily Mail. They claim that, but it will lose the automatic right to live and work in 27 countries in one hit. Are you saying that one country is equal top? Top is top. One Rating considers the other one greater. Whatever. There certainly are not large swathes of the planet preferring the British one as was claimed. I hope to get the German one in a couple of months, assuming I pass the anti terrorism and anti criminal checks. So, I'm covered anyway.
I'm sure those bastions of democracy will be horrified at this, or perhaps not...Brexit campaign was ‘totally illegal’, claims whistleblower
What’s horrifying is you actually believe this drivel.
You just don't get it do you? The principles of the EU do not allow for anything different. Making life easy for multinational corporations is its raison d'etre.
No matter which MEPs are elected, they're working within the confines of the various EU treaties.
We are third with a bunch of EU countries and if they impose restrictions so will we (none will) so it’s a pathetic statement.
I’ve been to Russia and got through passport control quicker than the shambles that is Charles De Gaulle you clueless crank.
Tax avoidance? What about Luxembourg or even closer to home Jersey? Who was the president of Luxembourg whilst blatant tax avoidance was ongoing?Well yeah, that’s the nature of a free trade area. It also makes its citizens richer than the alternative and is more effective at tackling things like climate change and tax avoidance than a groupnof atomised competitive nations.
You could argue the same about MPs being bound by treaties, were still members of the WTO, NATO, etc. It’s basic social contract stuff, trade a little agency for a little safety and prosperity.
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