Yes you quoted the part you could make look bad on the UK and ignored the rest. Then you made out that thousands are going to lose their jobs soon.I haven’t made anything out. I have quoted the article that you’ve linked though.
And why was the port no one has ever heard of developed? Was it to take work away from other EU ports like Rotterdam by any chance? Would you admit that leaving the EU will change the dynamic of that?
Yes you quoted the part you could make look bad on the UK and ignored the rest. Then you made out that thousands are going to lose their jobs soon.
So how much trade for the rest of the EU comes through the UK. Because you make out that you know and that it is nearly all of it.
And BTW it is Immingham docks. And they have been there for over 100 years. Have you got anything else to blame them for that is false?
This could be very interesting if true. The problem is that you don't know who to believe these days.Theresa May is preparing to surrender over plans to leave the Customs Union after Brexit
I predicted before we would end up in the EAA, reckon this could be the first step
Not at all. And you know it.Again I haven’t made out anything I’ve linked quoted the article you linked. Are you now dismissing the article you linked to back your argument? Am I not allowed to read and digest the article that you linked to back your argument? Not sure what you’re problem is other than you seem to have not comprehended what you’ve linked so you’re taking out on me because I have.
This could be very interesting if true. The problem is that you don't know who to believe these days.
And the major bonus is that it could end up ripping the Tory party apart.
This could be very interesting if true. The problem is that you don't know who to believe these days.
And the major bonus is that it could end up ripping the Tory party apart.
Not at all. And you know it.
You have made out that most trade from India comes through the UK to reach it's destination of the EU. You got this from a line saying India used to come to us first. Then you said many thousands of jobs will be lost because of it.
So how much comes through the UK on its way to the EU?
The impact on us is trade coming the other way. If India is importing €40B worth of goods into the EU and using the U.K. as the entry point to do that then you have to acknowledge that when this stops that is going to have an impact on UK jobs and businesses. The Indian exporter is not going to put an extra stop on their shipments for the fun of it are they? They’ve going to go direct to the EU to, as the article says, the benefit of France, Belgium and Germany. It will be their dock workers, customs workers, haulage companies etc. dealing with India to EU shipments not ours.
Theresa May is preparing to surrender over plans to leave the Customs Union after Brexit
I predicted before we would end up in the EAA, reckon this could be the first step
Yes and no.I'm sure that she would prefer to do it, NI must be a real headache.
You are making an assumption on the reciprocal arrangements between the Eu and the uk post Brexit to the arrangement and more crucially the uk arrangement with India either of which can overcome this obstacle.
There are idiots on both sides.It might actually win them voters. Nobody is denying the the leave win but Theresa May has spent so much time trying to pander to idiots like Boris and Co she’s forgotten to take a sensible approach to brexit in favour of a hard brexit.
How about how much comes to the UK from India on the way to the EU?How?
How about how much comes to the UK from India on the way to the EU?
This is going to be interesting.
No. You quoted one line that said they used to come to us first. And from that you worked out that many thousands would lose their jobs that work in the UK docks.Again. All I have done is quote the article you linked.
There are idiots on both sides.
I actually quoted three paragraphs but whatever.No. You quoted one line that said they used to come to us first. And from that you worked out that many thousands would lose their jobs that work in the UK docks.
So how much comes here on the way to the EU?You really didn’t understand that article did you. That’s the point I’ve been making. It comes to U.K. from India on the way to the EU because we’re in the EU. Try reading the article again and specifically the part I quoted.
Yes and no.
Would sort out problems for her but also cause others. But the Ireland border is a massive problem.
Then how much would it cost to stay in? Would we have to keep to freedom of movement? The EU says we would have to. I can see the Tories and May getting away with it if it meant no more freedom of movement. But otherwise could see it ending up in a bloodbath.
So how much comes here on the way to the EU?
Why is it such a hard question that I have asked you several times considering you seem to know so much on the subject?
How?
What about them? Are they going to replace us being India’s gateway into their biggest trade partner? Perhaps you can explain why.
So you’re just going to dodge the question then.
India imports over €40billion of goods into the Single Market every year and according to the article you linked the U.K. is the entrance point to that currently. That’s a hell of a lot of work for dock workers, lorry drivers, clearing agents, customs officers, rail freight workers etc.
How is that going to be replaced? Does it explain it in the article you linked?
What bad is it going to be for the EU? Goods will go direct to the continent instead of coming via the U.K. This will open up new trade roots on the continent and the job creation that goes with that. Again according to the article YOU linked it says that the shackles will be of for both the EU and India opening up a FTA.
Did you actually read the article because all it actually seems to do is point out benefits for the EU and negatives for the U.K. if anyone should have linked it to back up the argument it probably should have been me.
The impact on us is trade coming the other way. If India is importing €40B worth of goods into the EU and using the U.K. as the entry point to do that then you have to acknowledge that when this stops that is going to have an impact on UK jobs and businesses. The Indian exporter is not going to put an extra stop on their shipments for the fun of it are they? They’ve going to go direct to the EU to, as the article says, the benefit of France, Belgium and Germany. It will be their dock workers, customs workers, haulage companies etc. dealing with India to EU shipments not ours.
No. But the quote from your article clearly states that the U.K. has traditionally been India’s entry point into the EU.
Are you aware of the recent development of London Gateway? It currently has 3 deep sea births and can accommodate the worlds largest container ships. Part of the reason for this development was because it allows easy rail and road links with the channel tunnel and Dover.
It isn’t the only deep sea port in the EU and one of the reasons to use it is being diminished. Not just for India but the world as a whole.
So there are sime of the times you say it comes here first because of one line saying that they traditionally used to come to us first.You really didn’t understand that article did you. That’s the point I’ve been making. It comes to U.K. from India on the way to the EU because we’re in the EU. Try reading the article again and specifically the part I quoted.
Because we could have a free trade arrangement with the Eu and keep the existing arrangement which is clearly preferable to India anyway and not require any additional infrastructure from Europe. In addition we could include it in our terms with India.
Would.you like to repeat this?You ask that like I claim to know which of course I never have. I know how much India imports into the EU (€40B) and I know from that article that you link that India traditionally uses the U.K. as its point of entry into the EU. I’ve said no more than that and claim no more than that. If container traffic from India slows down because the U.K. was traditionally used as point of entry into the EU but can no longer be that point of entry as it’s no longer in the EU and critically the single market you don’t have to be a genius to work out that will have a knock on effect.
I don't have a clue if will happen or not. And if it does what rules would have to be followed.I imagine that we would end up with FoM but with some sort of emergency brake for a fixed period of time as a concession. Regardless of whether FoM ends or not, we are unlikely to see a significant reduction in immigration, unless the economy really collapses.
We haven't left yet. Or do you know something that everyone else doesn't as usual?
If you are truthful you will admit that you know nothing until we know all deals made and have left to see how it works.
At worse there will be tariffs. So instead of billions going to the EU there will be billions going to our government instead of the German car makers for starters
What have we gained by leaving? Ok. What will we have gained after we have left?
Oh, that‘s good then. Are you saying that instead of buying German cars we will pay billions to the UK government? Or rather we will be paying more money for cars from Germany to give our government more money? A sort of extra tax so that we can feel the benefits of Brexit?
I don't have a clue if will happen or not. And if it does what rules would have to be followed.
Out means out.
No cherry picking.
The two most used terms. They don't go together much.
FOM is a big one. The EU wants to keep it. But it would be a massive one for May to keep.
Many on here won't want to agree with this. But a lot of it has been said by Timothy Congdon. He is one of the leading economists. And he is a rare one that has got nearly everything right.
The economic case for a Brexit
Take time to read it and it will make sense. He said that Osborne was miles out with his numbers. And we found out he was right.
Remain Campaign Out By £100 BILLION, Economist Claims | Kipper Central
And I know some will see the rag this comes from and say it is all lies. But the person who is quoted seems to be the best economist we have. And you can't argue with his facts.
Project Fear got its sums WRONG by £100 BILLION, economist claims
You might prefer this one
Ditch Project Fear for Project Prosperity
As I have said several times we don't know where this is going. But I would prefer to listen to someone who has been proven to be right each time than someone who has been proven to be wrong each time.
Viewpoint: Brexit puts UK on new economic path
In the article Tim Congdon says:
„The Council of Ministers is - in practice - the EU's most important arena of decision-taking.
But Germany, despite having the largest population and by far the most substantial economy, with an output almost twice that of Italy, has been no more powerful on the council than five other countries.“
Which according to some on here as the whole thing was created for Germany‘s benefit and is controlled by Nazi Merkel. Who is more likely to be correct?
No it’s creared because Germany is the natural beneficiary of a common currency across its neighbours. It controls the bank lending rate which is critical to economic policy - this has been explained to you numerous times.
I’m also fascinated to see you quoting Tim Congdon. Are you saying his views on Brexit are correct?
No. He is a total Kipper. The articles were standard Kipper election campaign material. Just thought it strange him pointing out that Germany‘s strength in the Council doesn’t reflect it‘s economic strength. The constant Germany runs the EU line doesn’t mention this. He is of course right on this as Council voting is based on population figures not economic strength.
Ah so he’s selectively correct I see.
Also again I’ve told you numerous times why germany control all aspects of EU policy and pull all the strings.
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