Yes I did. were you one of those chanting brexit-Shit?
Yes I did. were you one of those chanting brexit-Shit?I admit, I was conned. I voted remain. Perhaps you missed that bit...
No, I haven't, but we have put the UK on wobble through believing the leavers.Its a mockery of democracy only as you disagree with the way the vote went. I didn't vote leave but accept the decision. Both sides bent the truth, but you seem to have missed that.
Bloody hell I know this post was aimed at someone else but you are coming across as a huge bigot.
I have spoken to quite a number of leave voters who voted on democratic issues, as well as financial ones, with nothing related to immigration as they realise that there will still be a large amount of free movement. For you to tarnish all people that voted leave as racists, makes you a small minded bigot as you are basing your facts on nothing more than supposition.
Wasn't that just Mart though?
It seems the race card is on fire recently, lots of racist graffiti appearing since the Brexit Vote. I'd put money on a large % of it being done by people who wanted to remain
Er no, I was replying specifically to Ashdown's comments about 'applauding' refugees and his suggestion that I should stay in Germany with 'them' ( the refugees ).
That was not just suspicion and it was not tarnishing the other 17 million, although hate crimes have increased which would suggest that there are some racists amongst them.
No, I haven't, but we have put the UK on wobble through believing the leavers.
Problem is that if Scotland or Northern Ireland go, there is no turning back.The wobble wont last forever, although looking at how the next few years may pan out, the wobble may be back and forth like a yoyo.
Problem is that if Scotland or Northern Ireland go, there is no turning back.
That's very true.
I do feel there is a lot more to it though, than NI and Scotland just voting to stay in. Sturgeon is playing a great PR game at the moment, and clearly wants independence and yes sadly the referendum works in her favour on this issue. I believe independence is truly her goal and she is happy to use EU membership as a ploy to get Scotland's second referendum. Personally I feel that she knows that there is a lot more to Scotland staying in the EU, including significant financial and possible austerity measures which may preclude Scotland ever being a member state.
Yes I did. were you one of those chanting brexit-Shit?
I don't think voters realised the side effects of leave. The whole Northern Ireland fragile peace agreement is now in jeopardy. A new EU border could arise with people smuggling and other smuggling easier over a land border into and out of Britain. Border controls in Ireland emphasise the old problems of Ireland.
That's good to know.No. I believe everyone has the right to vote how they want, and because it didn't go my way, i'm not going to cry and whinge about it like a 2 year old having a tantrum.
Which is true, but are people in Ireland wanting to leave now that England is leaving? I don't know, do you?There's nothing to stop Ireland from leaving the EU, they only joined in the first place because Britain did.
The SNP is on the slide in Scotland, they used to have an overall majority but are now part of a coalition. The Tories are having a resurgence in Scotland under their new leader.
Another problem for Sturgeon is that the original Scottish referendum called for an independent Scotland that was within an EU which included England and shared a common currency whereas a future independent Scotland would be in an EU which did not include England, may have a different currency and possibly even border controls between the two countries.
Which is true, but are people in Ireland wanting to leave now that England is leaving? I don't know, do you?
. The Germans want to share the burden of the refugee crisis and want a unified stance. .
Unfortunately for the Germans, the view in other EU countries is 'Merkel invited the migrants in (800k a year wasn't it?), Germany can deal with it'
Fair enough but I don't agree. I don't see how or why the union would break up? They had a refendum and sure give them another one but what if the EU doesn't want them? What if Scotland didn't want to break up from the UK in a refendum like last time? Sorry I'm not saying I'm right I'm saying I don't see it. The eu and uk are different referendums. Different questions.
Well you say until Germany says so well there is a lot of support already in Germany of the break up. Remember they foot the biggest bill and how long does that become tolerable? Even more so now uk has left who massively helped them out. As Putin said about brexit no one wants to keep funding poorer countries. It becomes in the end intolerable.
I'm also thinking more about the euro and shengen the two hallmarks of the EU whilst both very good and noble ideas they don't work. The euro has been a disaster throughout as one currency just doesn't fit all. It can't do.
As for calls in other countries, Denmark want out by a majority. Greece unsurprisingly want gone by 71% in the latest polls. Biggest in the eu.
Sorry to say it but the eu is done for. Even if we remained another country would of gone. It doesn't work. It's gotten too big and too powerful via unelected politicians. It become unsustainable.
I sincerely hope we can one day all come back together perhaps smaller and more specific and we are all in or all out. Let's trade, free travel and be good neighbors but no shared currencies or borders.
One final point that really bugs me. If the eu was so great and we are so fucked then why did we vote leave? Why do other some other countries want a refendum? A client of mine told me we voted leave because the electorate up north especially are stupid. I said to him that's not fair and actually look at why people voted leave instead of saying they are stupid and this might fair you better.
The Spanish are afraid that the Catalans might try to negotiate a separate deal with the EU.
Yes tony because it doesn't work. Denmark as you say in particular because they don't have the euro and aren't in shengen just like Britain. They will be next IMO.
I know you supported remain and i know leave have faults but this isn't just a Britain thing. It's been coming for years now all over the continent. I like the eu idea it's just gotten too big and too powerful and in the end something gives. If not Britain it would of been someone else.
It's dead now.
That's all very romantic........except they started to realise many of that surge of humanity were not actually fleeing any terrible war at all.............Yes, fancy Germany believing in humanity and aiding people fleeing a terrible war... If only they had turned them back and let them perish. Bad Merkel. Merkel thought that we shared common values. She has been proved wrong on that. Migrants are still coming although Germany has got tougher and as Merkel says, Syria will not be the problem long term, Africa will.
I don't think voters realised the side effects of leave. The whole Northern Ireland fragile peace agreement is now in jeopardy. A new EU border could arise with people smuggling and other smuggling easier over a land border into and out of Britain. Border controls in Ireland emphasise the old problems of Ireland.
So the implied tone that 'people should fuck off back to where they came from' isn't suggesting racism? I suggest otherwise.
The word racist has been used a number of times through the thread.
You'd be surprised with Northern Ireland, at the moment it seems to be unifying the political divide rather than fractioning it. The Northern Ireland economy is largely based on trade with the south especially in the border counties. Northern Ireland can't afford a complete split from the EU and lose freedom of movement. My family is from a border town and most of them work in the south. Unemployment could go up massively in Northern Ireland if that right is lost and actually that would be the biggest threat to the piece process. Terrorism thrived in a time of high unemployment, low wages and poor living standards in Northern Ireland because they had a lot of young men who were lost with no sense of worth and that made them easy to manipulate in an environment that bred hatred.
A big problem we have in politics is career politicians who leave university and just seem to pick a party they can progress in rather than the one that they are suited to and have no career/life experience.
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