Grendel
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I’d say he’s very much a fan of far right ideology
Come on, you're not fan of the far right so you're automatically a hard leftie.
You do have a veto right on major issues so your country is not a vassal state. There are 27 other countries in the European Council and more than 600 MEPs from non German countries in the parliament. The parliament does not vote on a country basis anyway.
The vassal state of Holland doesn’t exist, neither does the German Reich. More Brexit terminology. Sad that it now comes from a Dutchman.
Nobody knows because nothing has been agreed. You're fretting about hearsay & scaremongering...like what you accuse Brexiteers of falling prey to at the referendumYou didn’t answer the question about how well Brexit is panning out.
Funny that.
The point is you can call it, or dress it up whatever you want, but the same guy is still simply emptying the bins into a truck! That is his purpose.Sorry, I just don’t get the connection between binmen and the 4. Reich.
Please explain how that works.
The 3. Reich got into gear with the reoccupation of the Rheinland. Are you suggesting that the 4. Reich is more low key and starting with the renaming of British binmen?
Which ironically is a pretty extreme interpretation of thingsCome on, you're not fan of the far right so you're automatically a hard leftie.
I used Syria as an example as we were discussing people coming from countries we are bombing. Syria is a recent example and has a decent amount of data available.You are only talking about Syrians here, net migration to the UK generally runs at about 180,000 plus a year from all over the world.
You can bet your life some of the Scandinavian nations are watching things closely even at government level. Historical allegiences are not easily broken down.I got the terminology from the replies from Dutch people on Dutch news websites, nothing to do with Brexit. It is now a widely held belief in Holland and growing day-by-day.
Which ironically is a pretty extreme interpretation of things
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I suspect some of Trumps antics on tarrifs are being done with the intent to send subtle supportive messages to the EU for more of a 'business as usual' as far as possible approach to their bargaining strategy with the UK...simply due to our support historically for the US
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As long as those said Indians are coming to offer a valuable contribution to the country in skilled roles rather than joining the mass of Eastern EU migrants who largely look to send much of their money home, pay little tax and drive down wages for the average working class Brit then it's all good.I used Syria as an example as we were discussing people coming from countries we are bombing. Syria is a recent example and has a decent amount of data available.
If you're looking at immigration in general the top 10 source countries include India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria and South Africa.
Leaving the EU isn't going to reduce that. If anything it will increase. India for example have already state a pre-requisite for a trade deal is loosening of immigration rules for Indians.
Not forgetting Donalds actions are Unilateral.If you genuinely believe that then you're off your head.
May has very much allied herself with fellow European leaders with regards to their response to Trump's behaviour.
If you think they don't talk behind the scenes & put strategies in place with close allies - you should add 'Niaive' to your user nameIf you genuinely believe that then you're off your head.
May has very much allied herself with fellow European leaders with regards to their response to Trump's behaviour.
I got the terminology from the replies from Dutch people on Dutch news websites, nothing to do with Brexit. It is now a widely held belief in Holland and growing day-by-day.
Nobody knows because nothing has been agreed. You're fretting about hearsay & scaremongering...like what you accuse Brexiteers of falling prey to at the referendum
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If you think they don't talk behind the scenes & put strategies in place with close allies - you should add 'Niaive' to your user name
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As long as those said Indians are coming to offer a valuable contribution to the country in skilled roles rather than joining the mass of Eastern EU migrants who largely look to send much of their money home, pay little tax and drive down wages for the average working class Brit then it's all good.
Now I remember why I have kept away from this thread. It is hard to have a debate with people who twist every bit of truth they can.The economy is shrinking in comparison with other G7 economies.
The problem is that we need skilled workers a lot more than unskilled. But we don't have a choice at the moment. The more unskilled that come here the more skilled workers we need. And we already don't have enough.We need unskilled workers as well as skilled. If they come from India they’ll do exactly the same as skilled and unskilled Indian workers do in places like the U.A.E. Namely everything that you’re moaning about Eastern EU migrants apparently doing.
The problem is that we need skilled workers a lot more than unskilled. But we don't have a choice at the moment. The more unskilled that come here the more skilled workers we need. And we already don't have enough.
Those from outside the EU have major problems coming here. Even those who are needed for the NHS. The government have made it difficult to keep the numbers down. It is all wrong. But they are more interested in vote winners.
Now I remember why I have kept away from this thread. It is hard to have a debate with people who twist every bit of truth they can.
So our economy is in decline?
Of course it isn't. We have record employment. We are still growing. The problem is that we are growing from record levels. Not a bad problem to have. But of course you want to make it sound bad as our growth has slowed a bit. That was always going to happen whatever.
How many of them are at record levels like us?Yes, but it is growing more slowly than other G7 economies. Why?
So it is more important to have cheap labour to pick fruit than it is for skilled labour that we desperately need like for the NHS?Do we? Are skilled workers going to pick fruit, work in hotels and restaurants, work zero hours contracts on minimum wage? We have record employment in this country and unless we close down sectors of industry we need unskilled workers to keep certain sectors going.
How many of them are at record levels like us?
So it is more important to have cheap labour to pick fruit than it is for skilled labour that we desperately need like for the NHS?
Many areas are struggling badly in hospitals. They can't get the qualified staff. But the populations are going up even more. At least it satisfies the companies that want cheap labour.
The more unskilled who come here then the more the NHS and schools etc will struggle......Just because the NHS is struggling to recruit doesn’t mean that cheap labour isn’t important to the economy. Fact is many sectors rely on cheap immigrant labour and can’t survive without them. You can keep ignoring that and keep spouting skilled labour all you like but if we stop letting in unskilled people the economy is going to take a hit at a time it can’t afford to.
By now you will have noticed that the uncertainty around any significant change is disruptive. By the end it turns out to have been worth the disruption, or not as the case may be. You have sought & found more doom & gloom because that is what you wish for unless your way of thinking is adopted.The economy is shrinking in comparison with other G7 economies. The pound has fallen and inflation is taking away the benefits of wage increases. There is uncertainty and our government are still negotiating with themselves as to what Brexit is. Etc etc.
That is not scaremongering, it is the current situation.
Well you just carry on your way...& I will carry on mine. I'm happyI'd get yourself a tinfoil hat and a dictionary.
You really are clutching at straws here.
Because these things are cyclical & somebody has to be slowest...the uncertanties of Brexit were always going to be felt. Once it has been done & dusted we may well return to lead the growth table. And they are just numbers, most of in reality don't feel much different as a result of being top or bottom in terms of growthYes, but it is growing more slowly than other G7 economies. Why?
Because these things are cyclical & somebody has to be slowest...the uncertanties of Brexit were always going to be felt. Once it has been done & dusted we may well return to lead the growth table. And they are just numbers, most of in reality don't feel much different as a result of being top or bottom in terms of growth
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Do we? Are skilled workers going to pick fruit, work in hotels and restaurants, work zero hours contracts on minimum wage? We have record employment in this country and unless we close down sectors of industry we need unskilled workers to keep certain sectors going.
Be honest for once.Germany is. I don’t know about the rest, but when the world economy is doing great, we should be still growing. We are not growing much in comparison. Why?
Shall we let them all live in your house? Because we don't have anywhere else for them.Just because the NHS is struggling to recruit doesn’t mean that cheap labour isn’t important to the economy. Fact is many sectors rely on cheap immigrant labour and can’t survive without them. You can keep ignoring that and keep spouting skilled labour all you like but if we stop letting in unskilled people the economy is going to take a hit at a time it can’t afford to.
Just numbers?
The more unskilled who come here then the more the NHS and schools etc will struggle......
Here you go on with your normal long rants as usual that as usual misses the spot.That’s a consequence of successive failing governments not migrants. Fact is they’re coming to work, that means that there is jobs available, that means there is tax to collect and that means there are funds to distribute to the NHS, schools, housing etc. It’s failed governments that have let these areas down through starving them of investment, mismanagement of what investment they have received and crucially a lack of long term thinking. Governments have got to start thinking further ahead than the current term and there has to be some joined up thinking between opposing political parties on certain areas of government so there can be a handover when governments change.
So we stop all the unskilled migrants coming. Then what? Schools, NHS and housing still need investment such is the long term failures in these areas. How do we pay for that when areas of the economy are struggling as there isn’t enough workers to do the work so tax collections are down from sectors of industry and tax collections are down again because you can’t collect tax from people who aren’t here filling job vacancies that no longer can be filled.
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