No it’s centralisation of a superstate- why mention ukip Tony? The arguments against this are actually from distinguished socialists like Anthony Wedgewood Benn - are you saying Benn would have been a member of ukip as he believed the EU Parliament was anti democratic - is that the accusation you levy against Benn, Foot team al?
Tony - Will Hutton is an expert in European affairs as i an sure we both agree. In one of his great researched essays on Europe he likened it to the centralist dictatorial regime of the Roman Empire - are you agreeing with that? I’m still confused as well how centralism - which every EU supporter acknowledges - can be reconciled with a support of devolution
I’d like you to help me with that one Tony if you can
You say you are concerned about stripping down elected members but seem to believe that centralisation if a European Parliament is progress towards such a utopia. On the face of it that’s a contradiction. How can you reconcile that Tony?
Or more correctly, they can pass, amend or reject the laws put forward by the commission whose job it is to carry out the aims of the council of 28 democratic countries. The commission is not legislative. But you carry on with your faragisms.
It is appointed isn't so they are analogous to 'Lords'.
We are ruled by modern day Lords of the ruling parties from each country in the club.
It is appointed isn't so they are analogous to 'Lords'.
We are ruled by modern day Lords of the ruling parties from each country in the club.
I'm blocking you now. You are tiresome.
Who is the president of the superstate? Did Rome allow universal suffrage in it’s vassal states? Did Rome give them veto rights? Did each state have an independent judiciary? Freedom of speech? Could they go to war with other countries without permission from Rome? I think the comparison is bollocks.
I am quoting a view by an esteemed economist who is principal at Hertford College Oxford who says that it is similar in ideology and aims and Germany is now the head of the empire
With respect I think his views on the matter are more worthy of consideration than yours.
I am quoting a view by an esteemed economist who is principal at Hertford College Oxford who says that it is similar in ideology and aims and Germany is now the head of the empire
With respect I think his views on the matter are more worthy of consideration than yours.
I am quoting a view by an esteemed economist who is principal at Hertford College Oxford who says that it is similar in ideology and aims and Germany is now the head of the empire
With respect I think his views on the matter are more worthy of consideration than yours.
I think you are not talking about the Roman Empire at all.
It can only be the Holy Roman Empire. Which is like you telling me about someone saying Bristol City is crap and the other person was talking about Bristol Rovers...
Two totally different things.. if I may respectfully point out..
Just checked you pillock. You have indeed confused the Roman Empire with the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne which ended with Napoleon taking over German principalities. So next time you try to educate me, educate yourself first.
If I’m honest Mart I did it deliberately as a I knew you’d be so obsessed you’d research the man and highlight the difference without ironically understanding why he made the distinction which is entirely due to his utter obsession with Germany
I’ve responded. The difference is of course the influence of Germanic states which is huttons point. So you seem to now agree and are happy with the Germanic control as it’s ideology?
That could have been written about Trump tbfNo, it isn’t. He is pointing out the development of Germany. That was referring to the Holy Roman Empire, then Bismarck‘s with Kaiser Wilhelm as Kaiser. Weimar carried on the Reich and the Nazis created the follow up, the Third Reich based on their ideology of one people, one empire, one leader. The desire for a people and a nation state with a leader acting solely in the interest of his people who give him undying loyalty and respect. Strong military, blame all problems on the enemies of the people. Target one religion. Workers losing rights. Increased military spending. Constant rallies and organised fake news propaganda. Mocking and bullying of opponents. Breaking international agreements and leaving multinational organisations ( League of Nations ). Similar ideology and methodology to people you give a pass to actually.
Luckily it cannot happen in the UK....
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Hilarious.... rofl.... great entertainment... just say, „ok fair enough you got me this time“... We all make mistakes... but, I am sitting here with the missus betting on your reply.. neither of us won, but we had a good laugh.
Thought this thread had lost the plot when you were arguing about the poll tax but now you've gone all the way back to the romans!
Mart he is obsessed with germany - totally obsessed. His diatribe on Merkel and the EU is a replicant if your own posting history.
He believes in big state and the removal of national identity and cites this in his sickening Germany A beacon of force - his comparison is with a 21st century Holy Roman Empire with a common currency and trading rules governed by Germany. He is the true voice of Europe and what the union wants. An economic fourth Reich governed by Merkel
Er, no... you are the one trying, mistakenly, to compare the EU with the Roman Empire, and failing. You and your Brexit chums are the ones obsessed with Germany and convinced of your Faragist inspired belief that Germany is the enemy. The reality is what Hutton says, that Germany sees itself holding Europe together. In this case convinced that what happened in the last century should not be allowed to happen again. A far better motive than the slimy spiv Farage, and his US cronies, Bannon, Bolton and the imbecile Trump have in their politics.
Well Martcov will argue around 800AD but to be honest the Roman Empire in its original format had the same ideology and intent as the EU does. The difference is that it’s central hub was not from Germany as the Holy Roman Empire was.
People should read articles from the likes of Hutton as they are frightening in their desire for the Eu states to be controlled through Germany and it’s ecomomic policies. His arrogance and disdain for the “lesser” countries such as Greece and how they should surrender to the Fatherland is very revealing as to how people like Mart get their bigotry and desire for superstate control from.
Oddmy you are off again on far right nonsense.
My ideology is based off the beliefs ironically of Benn and Foot on this issue.
Were they foam at the mouth Farage fans as well?
No, antique labour figures with a little socialist England wish.
Yeah, but the Romans were proper good at bumming, in fact, it is historically documented how good they were at bumming (part of daily life they drew pictures and shit) so stop being a homophobe, you racist.You are wrong about the original Roman Empire and you are wrong to make up my views for me. All drama and Faragisms. Farage repeats the same BS endlessly and people like you quit it as fact.
This is where I get confused by your/Mart arguments. 2014 EU elections had just over 40% turnout...& you happily accept that those elected are done so democratically - & that they represent the will of the people.He, like you doesn’t want the U.K. governed by the European Parliament which is full of people democratically elected by the people it governs. He, like you want to strip away layers of the electoral system we have become accustomed to for almost half a century. Like you have already confirmed this is a trait of fascism. Your continued defence of UKIP and their policies that concur with your own ideology is duly noted. You must be salivating at the thought of Ferage coming back to politics.
There is also no single language. Several languages are accepted as the legal language.
Farage repeats the same BS endlessly and people like you quit it as fact.
No, antique labour figures with a little socialist England wish.
I was never a believer in socialism but in some ways I now long for a return of those days and so I understand also do a large proportion of the British (and Dutch) population.
Pot-kettle-black or what?
And I know you meant to say 'quote'...which makes your post even funnier...because it is a FACT that he HAS quit the EU with the majority vote!
You are priceless at times.
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This is where I get confused by your/Mart arguments. 2014 EU elections had just over 40% turnout...& you happily accept that those elected are done so democratically - & that they represent the will of the people.
Just over 70% turnput for the EU referendum...but the result is deemed both non-representative & not accepted by you
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