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Question, when Britain joined the EU was the public given a chance on whether to join or not?
No it wasn't.Question, when Britain joined the EU was the public given a chance on whether to join or not?
Question, when Britain joined the EU was the public given a chance on whether to join or not?
Question, when Britain joined the EU was the public given a chance on whether to join or not?
Whilst you are right...there was never any real alternative so in/out was never a real issue for those casting their voteEvery government elected and re-elected in my lifetime has done so with a manifesto of maintaining and/or increasing ties with the EU. So it depends on how you look at it. Have we had a referendum? No. Have we elected successive governments with a mandate to maintain membership of the EU as it evolves? Yes.
Whilst you are right...there was never any real alternative so in/out was never a real issue for those casting their vote
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I'm not sure that 'evolves' is the right word to use. 'Dragged towards becoming a United States of Europe by some power crazy people' seems closer to the truth.Every government elected and re-elected in my lifetime has done so with a manifesto of maintaining and/or increasing ties with the EU. So it depends on how you look at it. Have we had a referendum? No. Have we elected successive governments with a mandate to maintain membership of the EU as it evolves? Yes.
I'm not sure that 'evolves' is the right word to use. 'Dragged towards becoming a United States of Europe by some power crazy people' seems closer to the truth.
Did his manifesto say that then?Labour leader Michael Foot was massively anti EU and would have taken us out in a heartbeat. So not strictly true.
Did his manifesto say that then?
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I’ll help Tony out as his recall of political events is not exactly trustworthy.
Yes it did. Also to immediately abolish the House of Lords, disarm nuclear weapons and renationalise everything that has already been made private. True socialism described as the longest suicide note in history.
Since then all parties have offered no choice on the subsequent politicisation of the EU - all have drank at the trough and fell in line.
Someone has been reading Wikipedia.
I'm not sure that 'evolves' is the right word to use. 'Dragged towards becoming a United States of Europe by some power crazy people' seems closer to the truth.
Looks like George Soros 'Open Society Foundation' across Europe is about to have competition.
'Soros Brilliant, But Evil': Bannon to Rival Open Society Foundations in Europe
"Who would that be?" You tell me, Mart. You seem to know more about the EU than many on here. Who in the EU has advocated closer political union? There must be many examples of such. In my opinion, that is just a euphemism for a United States of Europe.Who would that be? I think it easier to point to power crazy egoists in the leave camp. It is full of them. You know who they are. They are on LBC, in the Express or Mail every day in some form or in the Tory party waiting for May to fall and seize their chance for the big time.
Bannon is the nearest we have to a prominent Nazi. He ran Breitbart as a propaganda tool and told the Russian tool how to win the US election by sticking to the same populist BS and targeting the right areas ( possibly based on the hacked Democratic strategies - not proved, but otherwise amazingly good timing and targeting). Financed by the richest people in the world to make blue collar people angry enough to scupper their own futures.
And George Soros funded Antifa who stage violent protest against Jordan Peterson on one of his speech tours and shouted 'Burn the place with him in it'. All because he has differing views from them. So much for freedom of speech huh? The same group that hijacked a seminar at Kings College with Yaron Brook (who's Jewish) and Sargon of Akkad (who's a liberal). Again all because differing views. Wait isn't what Antifa is doing is banning free speech? Isn't that what Fascist/Nazis do? So much for Antifa calling themselves antifascist.
Plus George Soros the guy that confiscated property from the Jews during the holocaust. He mentioned in an interview the confiscation was easy.
This same guy told Viktor Orban to have more migrants come into Hungary (regardless if they are illegal/criminals).
Told the E.U to increase their debt and aswell as more migrants.
In short no borders.
And finally he mentioned that you need mayhem and chaos in order to make money and profit from it.
Boy! such a cool dude (not).
And George Soros funded Antifa who stage violent protest against Jordan Peterson on one of his speech tours and shouted 'Burn the place with him in it'. All because he has differing views from them. So much for freedom of speech huh? The same group that hijacked a seminar at Kings College with Yaron Brook (who's Jewish) and Sargon of Akkad (who's a liberal). Again all because differing views. Wait isn't what Antifa is doing is banning free speech? Isn't that what Fascist/Nazis do? So much for Antifa calling themselves antifascist.
Plus George Soros the guy that confiscated property from the Jews during the holocaust. He mentioned in an interview the confiscation was easy.
This same guy told Viktor Orban to have more migrants come into Hungary (regardless if they are illegal/criminals).
Told the E.U to increase their debt and aswell as more migrants.
In short no borders.
And finally he mentioned that you need mayhem and chaos in order to make money and profit from it.
Boy! such a cool dude (not).
"Who would that be?" You tell me, Mart. You seem to know more about the EU than many on here. Who in the EU has advocated closer political union? There must be many examples of such. In my opinion, that is just a euphemism for a United States of Europe.
It might be because many of them keep, & are afforded, a much lower profile by people like yourselfWho would that be? I think it easier to point to power crazy egoists in the leave camp. It is full of them. You know who they are. They are on LBC, in the Express or Mail every day in some form or in the Tory party waiting for May to fall and seize their chance for the big time.
Good god man! Can you not see that British (I can't much speak for other countries) mainstream parties do exactly what you are talking about? Spout populist bollocks just to win votes & once in power do largely what the hell they like. Things they do deliver on usually impact in some way they have not told us about...so don't let us pretend ANY of the protagonists in the run up to AND post Brexit referendum are any different!Bannon is the nearest we have to a prominent Nazi. He ran Breitbart as a propaganda tool and told the Russian tool how to win the US election by sticking to the same populist BS and targeting the right areas ( possibly based on the hacked Democratic strategies - not proved, but otherwise amazingly good timing and targeting). Financed by the richest people in the world to make blue collar people angry enough to scupper their own futures.
My Breitbart Bannon? He's got nothing to do with me.
Good god man! Can you not see that British (I can't much speak for other countries) mainstream parties do exactly what you are talking about? Spout populist bollocks just to win votes & once in power do largely what the hell they like. Things they do deliver on usually impact in some way they have not told us about...so don't let us pretend ANY of the protagonists in the run up to AND post Brexit referendum are any different!
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It might be because many of them keep, & are afforded, a much lower profile by people like yourself
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Well look what I found.
I cannot see that clip here, but I can get the transcript and I can see the interview on far right sites. I assume it is edited to take it out of context - whatever it is. But, he on the clips I have seen he says his experience as 13/14 years old formed his character. I can understand why he is pushing against the far right and why they hate him. They always mention his jewishness ( as a 'race' ) and that he is an atheist ( to wind up the relgious Americans ).
Are you seriously comparing British mainstream parties with Bannon’s movement? Yes they lie, they exaggerate, but nothing like Breitbart, Bannon, Trump and co..
Bannon and Trump have nothing but contempt for people like May, who whatever you may think of her, is in an unenviable position of trying to polish the Brexit turd. She is making U turns, not because she is a Trumpian liar or deliberately set out to lead people up the garden path like Banks and Farage, but because Brexit cannot be delivered without some people taking a hit. It is insulting and shows how the tactic of flooding the media with disinformation is working. You are a classic example. Trump and co lie. May fibs. You claim they all the same.
No they are not all the same. The media are also not all the same. The tactic is that you cannot trust anyone anymore. It is obviously working.
Meanwhile you align yourself with ruthless populists with hidden but mixed agendaIt may also be that the people I am talking about are ruthless populists with a far right agenda.
Meanwhile you align yourself with ruthless populists with hidden but mixed agenda
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Who exactly?
Meanwhile you align yourself with ruthless populists with hidden but mixed agenda
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Who exactly? And what is the hidden agenda?
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