The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (120 Viewers)

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
Rees Mogg is a hedge fund part owner. His hedge fund invests mainly in emerging markets, and now, to a much lesser extent, the EU via Dublin. Not in Brexit Britain. Emerging markets will profit from a splitting of the trade bloc EU starting with Britain. I think he is a successful hedge fund boss, but whether that helps the leavers who have been whipped up to hate the EU, is another question. I can see him doing a SISU Joy if he gets to be PM, by saying he „empathises“ with the poorer leavers. Apart from them being able, maybe, to buy cheaper Australian wine and tell their kids that the UK wil be booming in 2068, they will not be better off and may have lost their livelihoods.

Whipped up to hate the EU?

Come and live in the UK for a bit and find out the real truth. Many that voted remain have seen what the EU is like since we have tried negotiating. We negotiate. They say no. Not good enough. Won't work. But it isn't too late to stay in. They say we can't cherry pick whilst they cherry pick. We can have what is good for the EU but nothing that is good for us.

So would you prefer RM to May? You certainly don't want RM. Is it because May has finally stood up to the EU? Because the majority of the UK wanted her to. And I have shown you the latest YouGov poll that said so after they were supposed to have said we wanted to stay in the EU.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

clint van damme said:
hid old man once said, "the best time to make money is in chaos",
I think Jacob has taken that advice one step further and has decided to instigate the chaos as well.

How many running the EU are making money out of the situation?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Yet when someone calls out anyone who is in the position to direct the EU in any way you defend them.

When was that?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Whipped up to hate the EU?

Come and live in the UK for a bit and find out the real truth. Many that voted remain have seen what the EU is like since we have tried negotiating. We negotiate. They say no. Not good enough. Won't work. But it isn't too late to stay in. They say we can't cherry pick whilst they cherry pick. We can have what is good for the EU but nothing that is good for us.

So would you prefer RM to May? You certainly don't want RM. Is it because May has finally stood up to the EU? Because the majority of the UK wanted her to. And I have shown you the latest YouGov poll that said so after they were supposed to have said we wanted to stay in the EU.

We didn’t have these discussions amongst ourselves before 2008/2009, and it got really bad around 2010 and 2011. the EU was around for years before that. Suggests it was caused by social media and not a specific event.

clint van damme · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
How many running the EU are making money out of the situation?

absolutely no idea. Bur if there are any they didn't push to leave the EU and then move their investment fund headquarters to the EU I'd wager.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
How many running the EU are making money out of the situation?

What situation? Brexit? Brexit is our baby. Designed by our culprits for their own reasons.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
When was that?

Selmayr?

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
We didn’t have these discussions amongst ourselves before 2008/2009, and it got really bad around 2010 and 2011. the EU was around for years before that. Suggests it was caused by social media and not a specific event.

Or something to do with the direction the EU was going in.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

clint van damme said:
absolutely no idea. Bur if there are any they didn't push to leave the EU and then move their investment fund headquarters to the EU I'd wager.

Because they make more money out of us being in the EU and not out of it. They know what rules and regulations are going to be brought out next.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

clint van damme said:
absolutely no idea. Bur if there are any they didn't push to leave the EU and then move their investment fund headquarters to the EU I'd wager.

Brexit is a problem for hedge funds.

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martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Whipped up to hate the EU?

Come and live in the UK for a bit and find out the real truth. Many that voted remain have seen what the EU is like since we have tried negotiating. We negotiate. They say no. Not good enough. Won't work. But it isn't too late to stay in. They say we can't cherry pick whilst they cherry pick. We can have what is good for the EU but nothing that is good for us.

So would you prefer RM to May? You certainly don't want RM. Is it because May has finally stood up to the EU? Because the majority of the UK wanted her to. And I have shown you the latest YouGov poll that said so after they were supposed to have said we wanted to stay in the EU.

You seem to think that the majority were in favour of May going to Salzburg with her Plan which had already been rejected by the EU as unworkable? Any links?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Because they make more money out of us being in the EU and not out of it. They know what rules and regulations are going to be brought out next.

Like the tax haven laws that UKIP voted against?

skybluetony176 · Sep 22, 2018

Grendel said:
Let’s face it if Charles Manson declared we should remain you’d be jerking yourself off

I hate to be the one to break it you but Charles Manson is dead. Besides he’s far right so that qualifies him as a member of your “gang”. He’d have been a leaver for sure.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
You seem to think that the majority were in favour of May going to Salzburg with her Plan which had already been rejected by the EU as unworkable? Any links?

As in when YouGov were supposed to be saying that the majority wanted another referendum but as usual it was false information by a remainer on here?

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
Like the tax haven laws that UKIP voted against?

And Juncker brought in when running Luxembourg?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
As in when YouGov were supposed to be saying that the majority wanted another referendum but as usual it was false information by a remainer on here?

Really? Who claimed that?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
And Juncker brought in when running Luxembourg?

In 2019?

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
Really? Who claimed that?

Isn't it strange how your memory fails you when needed.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
In 2019?

Are you now denying that Juncker brought in tax dodges that has cost the UK many billions?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Isn't it strange how your memory fails you when needed.

I asked you the question. If you cannot answer it, then you have memory problems.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Are you now denying that Juncker brought in tax dodges that has cost the UK many billions?

No, I am talking about the upcoming laws which UKIP voted against.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
No, I am talking about the upcoming laws which UKIP voted against.

Yes. Always interested in anything except for when someone at or near the top of the EU has done something wrong.

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
I asked you the question. If you cannot answer it, then you have memory problems.

Isn't it you that can't remember?

No surprise though.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Yes. Always interested in anything except for when someone at or near the top of the EU has done something wrong.

Says you. I put up with your posts about. Selmayr- read them, researched them and commented on them. You can repeat Selmayr and Juncker a million times, but they’re not relevant in the big picture. Juncker will be gone soon, and if Selmayr was not there, somebody else would be doing his job and nothing would change in your life. What interests me is the fairer burden of taxation. If there are new tax laws to curb evasion, I am all for it. If the people pushing Brexit are doing that to avoid EU tax evasion laws, they are merely using Brexit for their own profit and betraying the people who voted for them. Surprised you are not up in arms about that as you were about Luxemburg.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
Isn't it you that can't remember?

No surprise though.

Are you going to answer the question?

Grendel · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
Are you going to answer the question?

You looked at the uk gov poll and to coin the Polish pension rapist you cherry picked one answer.

That led you to tne statement that most people thing Brexit will be worse than staying in the Eu.

This was not accurate as you “forgot” the nearly half of voters who expressed no view.

You failed to mention no shift on the actual desire to have a second referendum or voting intent

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
Says you. I put up with your posts about. Selmayr- read them, researched them and commented on them. You can repeat Selmayr and Juncker a million times, but they’re not relevant in the big picture. Juncker will be gone soon, and if Selmayr was not there, somebody else would be doing his job and nothing would change in your life. What interests me is the fairer burden of taxation. If there are new tax laws to curb evasion, I am all for it. If the people pushing Brexit are doing that to avoid EU tax evasion laws, they are merely using Brexit for their own profit and betraying the people who voted for them. Surprised you are not up in arms about that as you were about Luxemburg.

FFS.

Selmayr and Juncker not relevant?

Selmayr has the top job in the EU. He has the job for life. The EU will go in the direction that he wants. Juncker broke the rules and regulations to get him the job.

So how can they not have any relevance?

Astute · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
Are you going to answer the question?

If only we were as thick and forgetful as you wish we were.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
If only we were as thick and forgetful as you wish we were.

So, you cannot back your statement up?

Grendel · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
So, you cannot back your statement up?

I’ve already commented on it

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Astute said:
FFS.

Selmayr and Juncker not relevant?

Selmayr has the top job in the EU. He has the job for life. The EU will go in the direction that he wants. Juncker broke the rules and regulations to get him the job.

So how can they not have any relevance?

Juncker will be gone soon. He is not a king. Selmayr is head of the civil service which carry out the rules passed by the parliament and council. Are you suggesting he is all powerful? Why isn’t May dealing with him instead of 27 heads of state? The EU will go in the direction set by the council and parliament. The commission will prepare the legislation and present it to the parliament which can amend reject or accept it. How does Selmayr fit into your life?

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Grendel said:
You looked at the uk gov poll and to coin the Polish pension rapist you cherry picked one answer.

That led you to tne statement that most people thing Brexit will be worse than staying in the Eu.

This was not accurate as you “forgot” the nearly half of voters who expressed no view.

You failed to mention no shift on the actual desire to have a second referendum or voting intent

I said of the people who gave an opinion more said that Brexit was a mistake. I didn’t mention other things. In other polls remain has a small lead over leave.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

Grendel said:
I’ve already commented on it

You said nothing about Astute‘s claim.

martcov · Sep 22, 2018

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Grendel · Sep 22, 2018

martcov said:
I said of the people who gave an opinion more said that Brexit was a mistake. I didn’t mention other things. In other polls remain has a small lead over leave.

Not included not interested and that’s the poll most use. The other one you used had laughable research results

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