I’ve been partner of NITB, and later Tourism Ireland for over 30 years. I do give a fuck. I have witnessed the change for the better and it is sick that Btexit is causing unnecessary stress for people on Ireland.
Let’s be honest about this. You, Tony and your EU cronies seriously could not give a flying fuck about Ireland anymore than you could about Catalan independence. What they offer is a bargaining chip in the game. It’s pathetic to suggest anything else,
It’s a chink in the armour to try and exploit. Ireland has a choice. It can under the Surrender treaty unify or it can agree to remain whatever the final outcome
Just quoye the relevant section Tony then we will discuss this like mature adults.
Sadly Tony I’m now putting you and Mart on ignore. I agree with astute - debate is pointless. I understand you get excited that someone likes your posts - even if it’s a mad dribbling lunatic - but I’ve presented countless arguments which you and your rabid chum just ignore and indulge in playground defensiveness
My opumion of the Irish agreement is I believe entirely accurate - you lack the ability to debate and as ever indulge in some purile comment based on Wiki to condratict with zero alternative view
The thread is ruined by mart - who clearly has mental issues - and you who seems to have latched on him like a pitiful love struck teenager
Bye bye
Ignorance is bliss. Hence you didn’t know that the GFA is actually two agreements and that’s why I know you haven’t read either of them. If you’d read either one you would know that there is another one. That’s all you’ve got, Ignorance. By the way, even wiki tells you it’s two agreements.
Yeah but most the vans are gathering scrap metal and the lorries are going to Tesco......bit like Cov really !177,000 lorries and 208,000 vans per month according to Wiki. On top of that there's 1.8 million cars per month.
If you take Grendel at his word, he has joined the other losers: Astute, Dart and Bazza. So much to the benefits of Brexit. They would be reeling off the benefits as counter arguments if there were any instead of e.g. making excuses for the British border problem and downplaying a major political achievement.
It’s obvious that Grendull is just repeating some well chosen snippets of the GFA that have been doctored to be presented in a certain light from someone else’s work. No way has he read “it” himself. I have read both agreements, not since their signing admittedly but given I have a vested interest in the peace process I made the point of reading them which is why I knew it wasn’t a singular agreement. Maybe it is time to read them again.
Anyhow Grendull has once again tried to be clever by being stupid, shown himself up, I’ve put him right and then presumably out of embarrassment he’s blocked me. Funnily enough the same MO as last time he blocked me. Never mind. I’ll get over it.
You don't put people right. You come out with the same old lines even when everyone knows that you are wrong. Then the insults start.It’s obvious that Grendull is just repeating some well chosen snippets of the GFA that have been doctored to be presented in a certain light from someone else’s work. No way has he read “it” himself. I have read both agreements, not since their signing admittedly but given I have a vested interest in the peace process I made the point of reading them which is why I knew it wasn’t a singular agreement. Maybe it is time to read them again.
Anyhow Grendull has once again tried to be clever by being stupid, shown himself up, I’ve put him right and then presumably out of embarrassment he’s blocked me. Funnily enough the same MO as last time he blocked me. Never mind. I’ll get over it.
I have not dismissed them. Everyone has concerns & uncertainty around Brexit. What people such as yourself seem to do is find some rightful concern that is blown into something much bigger by over zealous &/or sensational reporting in the media - & revel in it like pigs in shit because you perhaps expect it will make people change from being accepting of Brexit, to being anti-Brexit. Pretty much treating people with the same respect & intelligence as the very people that are slagged off for misleading the public, in the run-up to the referendum, to vote leave!I'm not sure if you're being serious or not.
Yes, this is good news, but you've totally dismissed the warnings from the likes of JLR, Nissan, Honda etc. Do you think this negates their concerns? Seriously?
Why wouldn't they? They are a business with objectives to meetBut they are also keeping their options open.
You don't put people right. You come out with the same old lines even when everyone knows that you are wrong. Then the insults start.
Have you ever tried to have an adult debate and not spat your dummy out when proven wrong?
Grendull claimed to have read the GFA. He clearly hasn’t because if he did he would know it wasn’t a singular it’s two agreements. The section he’s quoted in the one agreement he seems to be aware of doesn’t even cover the border issue. He’s bullshited his way through the border question clearly quoting someone else’s bullshit. Not sure how you can say I didn’t put him right. I very clearly did. Check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me.
Same old lines? I’ve never pointed out the facts on this issue out to him before so not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion.
If correcting someone’s very obvious mistakes is insulting then guilty as charged.
I tried having an adult conversation with him and he just wanted to make out I was Marts boyfriend. It was Grendull who didn’t want to discuss it. Probably down to his serious lack of knowledge on the subject.
Spat my dummy out? Only one of us has been blocked in a very I’m taking my ball back and going home style. It’s Grendull who’s spat the dummy not me. When I block someone in that manor by all accuse me of spitting the dummy out. It would be justified.
I have not dismissed them. Everyone has concerns & uncertainty around Brexit. What people such as yourself seem to do is find some rightful concern that is blown into something much bigger by over zealous &/or sensational reporting in the media - & revel in it like pigs in shit because you perhaps expect it will make people change from being accepting of Brexit, to being anti-Brexit. Pretty much treating people with the same respect & intelligence as the very people that are slagged off for misleading the public, in the run-up to the referendum, to vote leave!
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We don't know if there is a deal on the table. May says they are 95% there. But I don't trust her.my concerns are nothing to do with the media.
I work in the JIT supply chain so now how fucked that could be in the event of a no deal.
And when this all began I had heard of the WTO but didn't know how it operated. I've spent time looking into it and have a basic knowledge of how it works and I can't help but conclude that there will be a massive negative impact on our economy if we end up operating under WTO rules.
Just look at the report released by the national audit office yesterday, it makes frightening reading.
I have asked several times, on here and in conversation with people, for evidence that my concerns are not justified and no one has come back with any unless you count we're leaving get used to it which seems to be the most common mantra and I think you yourself may have even parroted that one before.
And as for being pro or anti Brexit it makes no difference to me. As I have repeatedly said, I don't support a second referendum so I don't have an agenda, just pointing out evidence based facts.
. I just hope we get a deal but it's looking very unlikely.
We don't know if there is a deal on the table. May says they are 95% there. But I don't trust her.
But I stand by what I have said previously. The EU will try everything to make us stay in. But I can't see them letting us leave without a deal. We are a massive market for them. But I can see us having to pay to get a good trade deal agreement.
So they would mess our JIT foundations up if they wanted to? But what some seem to forget is they would also mess their own up.
I think the EU are fully aware that it will cause them issues but as I've said, no one will suffer as much as us.
The WTO predict 1.6 million job losses in the UK and over 2 million in the EU but their losses will be spread. And I don't think anyone wants to mess up supply chains but it will just be a consequence of what's happened though it was both predictable and I would say avoidable.
And having a deal at 95% done means nothing if the other 5% isn't done.
We still haven't started negotiating on trade officially and the report yesterday said it is now too late to put in place the necessary infrastructure to cope with a no deal. It's a mess and it's exactly why I voted remain because this government are hopeless.
Do you remember the predictions for if we voted leave? Yes the opposite happened on nearly everything.I think the EU are fully aware that it will cause them issues but as I've said, no one will suffer as much as us.
The WTO predict 1.6 million job losses in the UK and over 2 million in the EU but their losses will be spread. And I don't think anyone wants to mess up supply chains but it will just be a consequence of what's happened though it was both predictable and I would say avoidable.
And having a deal at 95% done means nothing if the other 5% isn't done.
We still haven't started negotiating on trade officially and the report yesterday said it is now too late to put in place the necessary infrastructure to cope with a no deal. It's a mess and it's exactly why I voted remain because this government are hopeless.
Do you remember the predictions for if we voted leave? Yes the opposite happened on nearly everything.
And yes more jobs could be lost here than any other country. But we could cope. Some countries in the EU are on their knees. And it would be even worse for those in the Euro. Those running the EU know this. Then you have their problem of not getting billions off us each year. This will also have to be replaced by money from elsewhere or they will have to make drastic cuts. Could they make big cuts to countries that get hit hard if there is only a crap offer on the table?
Yes we could get hit hard. But you need to look at it from both sides. Even the strongest out of the whole EU would get hit hard. They say about 25,000 well paid car making jobs in Germany could be lost. Yet Germany will most probably have to make up a lot of what we presently pay.
Or how about Italy? We are their 4th largest export market. Worth close to 25 billion a year IIRC. They are already in big trouble. Would you like to tell them that they can't have a trade deal with the UK but also tell them that they can't loan many more billions to keep going? How do you think their far right government would take it?
Do you remember the predictions for if we voted leave? Yes the opposite happened on nearly everything.
And yes more jobs could be lost here than any other country. But we could cope. Some countries in the EU are on their knees. And it would be even worse for those in the Euro. Those running the EU know this. Then you have their problem of not getting billions off us each year. This will also have to be replaced by money from elsewhere or they will have to make drastic cuts. Could they make big cuts to countries that get hit hard if there is only a crap offer on the table?
Yes we could get hit hard. But you need to look at it from both sides. Even the strongest out of the whole EU would get hit hard. They say about 25,000 well paid car making jobs in Germany could be lost. Yet Germany will most probably have to make up a lot of what we presently pay.
Or how about Italy? We are their 4th largest export market. Worth close to 25 billion a year IIRC. They are already in big trouble. Would you like to tell them that they can't have a trade deal with the UK but also tell them that they can't loan many more billions to keep going? How do you think their far right government would take it?
But we could cope.
Is it two agreements? It's a multilateral agreement isn't it?Grendull claimed to have read the GFA. He clearly hasn’t because if he did he would know it wasn’t a singular it’s two agreements. The section he’s quoted in the one agreement he seems to be aware of doesn’t even cover the border issue. He’s bullshited his way through the border question clearly quoting someone else’s bullshit. Not sure how you can say I didn’t put him right. I very clearly did. Check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me.
Same old lines? I’ve never pointed out the facts on this issue out to him before so not sure how you’ve come to that conclusion.
If correcting someone’s very obvious mistakes is insulting then guilty as charged.
I tried having an adult conversation with him and he just wanted to make out I was Marts boyfriend. It was Grendull who didn’t want to discuss it. Probably down to his serious lack of knowledge on the subject.
Spat my dummy out? Only one of us has been blocked in a very I’m taking my ball back and going home style. It’s Grendull who’s spat the dummy not me. When I block someone in that manor by all accuse me of spitting the dummy out. It would be justified.
Is it two agreements? It's a multilateral agreement isn't it?
unforgivable that our government and particularly our trade secretary couldn't have seen this coming.
In a cabinet full of useless twats 'DR' Liam Fox stands out head and shoulders above the others as a completely and utterly talentless, deluded moron.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
He’s a complete fuckwit who makes Diane Abbott look competent. Although this is just typical of the governments handling of brexit.
I can't see it happening as a no deal. The EU needs a deal just like we do. They try to get deals all over the world. Why would they suddenly not want a deal with us?We haven't left yet. Things will get worse and we have put ourselves in that position when there was no need.
You keep going on about what will happen in the EU, no one is disputing it, but we still aren't in a position to even start discussing deals with 5 months to go. There are red lines on all sides that won't be crossed and there appears to be no solution to.
Let's see if these fabled free trade deals eventually appear. I think it will take years to negotiate ourselves back to where we are now.
No deal is the odds on favourite and the odds are shortening daily.
I can't see it happening as a no deal. The EU needs a deal just like we do. They try to get deals all over the world. Why would they suddenly not want a deal with us?
Of course they want to make things difficult for us. They don't want others to leave. They want to get as much as they can out of us. And they certainly don't want us to leave. They haven't given up on trying to make us stay in yet.
Do you remember the predictions for if we voted leave? Yes the opposite happened on nearly everything.
And yes more jobs could be lost here than any other country. But we could cope. Some countries in the EU are on their knees. And it would be even worse for those in the Euro. Those running the EU know this. Then you have their problem of not getting billions off us each year. This will also have to be replaced by money from elsewhere or they will have to make drastic cuts. Could they make big cuts to countries that get hit hard if there is only a crap offer on the table?
Yes we could get hit hard. But you need to look at it from both sides. Even the strongest out of the whole EU would get hit hard. They say about 25,000 well paid car making jobs in Germany could be lost. Yet Germany will most probably have to make up a lot of what we presently pay.
Or how about Italy? We are their 4th largest export market. Worth close to 25 billion a year IIRC. They are already in big trouble. Would you like to tell them that they can't have a trade deal with the UK but also tell them that they can't loan many more billions to keep going? How do you think their far right government would take it?
these are the countries who he claimed would be queuing up to sign trade deals with us the day after we leave. Instead of that they're objecting to our proposed WTO schedules. What a fucking cretin he is.
He really is a moron and should be nowhere near such a position, especially after he was forced to resign previously.
WTO: „Several countries have expressed reservations“. Which translated means 20 countries, including the USA, China and Russia, are blocking the UK‘s „cut and paste“ trade deal plan. We will definitely have a worse deal than under EU WTO conditions and the WTO membership deal will take years to complete, as will individual trade deals. As predicted. Even Fox now says that the „reservations“ were expected. He forgot to mention that before. Why are we still going ahead with Brexit? Oh, Blackwater are not moving as many staff as expected to the EU ( yet ), and shareholders stopped Unilever moving to Holland therefore maintaining the status quo. But, those are not benefits. Where are the benefits?
The Italian government isn't far-right, it's a coalition made up of a far-left leaning party and a far-right leaning party.
Pretty much the same then
Far right leaning isn't far right?The Italian government isn't far-right, it's a coalition made up of a far-left leaning party and a far-right leaning party.
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