Sky Blue Pete
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He’s such an arrogant tosser
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (29 Viewers)
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covmark
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You seem to have misunderstood.
He said he doesn’t need evidence of your posting style, e.g. putting words in people’s mouths, as you will provide the evidence yourself.
Now you are off on a distraction and pretending Tony never provides evidence.
Which proves Tony‘s point.
Hope to have helped you.
Shows how far we have come when a lying scumbag thinks that Barnier is complimenting him as being one of many lying scumbags. In the 70s when his teachers were worrying about his admiration of the National Front, being like Farage was considered bad. Now there are millions following his lies and repeating them as if they are true.
dutchman
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And I suppose you never did anything stupid as a teenager which you regretted later?
Personally I think they should place his portrait on the new £50 note!
Also place a statue of him in front of the Palace of Westminster in place of that Ghandi monstrosity.
A bit like this one of Pim Fortuyn in Holland
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Astute
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Credibility?
Name anyone involved in this fiasco that you could say has any. That has been my point. The EU has none. The British government has none. The opposition to the British government has none. We know how corruption plays a part. We know most of them don't concentrate on what is best for the citizens. And before anyone has a go at this point as they usually do I will save you a job as I normally have to point everything out. I don't just mean the EU.
The EU does good things in Europe. There is no doubt about that. This year it has a budget of 160 billion IIRC. About 10% goes on administration charges. 16 billion? Add on agricultural and farming subsidies and about half of the budget is gone. And what for? To keep food prices high and give money to the rich. It is protectionism at its worse. They want to reduce the amount in farming subsidies but France refuses. They are by far the biggest benefactors. What could be done with this money?
There are people living in the EU that don't even have running water. How much would this cost to solve? It wouldn't be so bad if so much money given away wasn't wasted or siphoned off by officials and so. They know it happens but just continue to give more money.
Administration costs of 16 billion but there isn't enough money in the pot to keep an eye on where the money goes?
And that is also my point. It isn't that money isn't distributed. It is distributed in the wrong way. It could make a massive difference to the lives of the people. But it is used to try and keep people happy instead. It is used where it can be seen. And there is nothing we can do about it. Those at the top seem to think they are doing a good job. Just like the British government. But us lowly citizens know differently.
Astute
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So you would be happy if you came out with comments and showed the proof yet I said you was wrong and showed no proof at all? Then I expect you to believe my side of the story although everyone knows it is wrong? And then I start insulting you because you continue to give evidence on you being right?
So that is what you think an attempt of having a debate is all about?
No wonder I blocked you.
Sick Boy
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Where doesn't have running water? I'd imagine that it's a remote area of relatively new member, in which case I'm sure that it will do within 5-10 years. If hadn't joined it probably wouldn't have done, IMO.
Wherever there is money and humans, there's going to be corruption, EU or non EU and I believe that regeneration efforts are a positive thing and probably wouldn't have occurred in some countries, including the UK.
There are a couple of foodbanks in very, very rundown areas of Brighton, both of which are housed in buildings, which have been built with EU funding, there's no way governments here would have bothered building them. I'm sure it's the case in other run-down countries as well.
There's also an EU-wide aim at the moment to have free public wi-fi - EU approves €120 million plan to roll out free Wi-Fi . I can't see the UK bothering with that one, oh, and capping international call costs, following on from getting rid of data roaming.
Everyone has said that areas of it need reform but overall I wouldn't like to live in a country that's Tory-run country without the EU to keep them in check. Especially with the environment and labour laws, May has been very careful with her wording around employment rights.
I will enjoy my 33 days off + public holidays though
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SkyblueBazza
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New desperate depths..."Spoof London billboards seek to celebrate Putin's 'role' in Brexit" - Spoof London billboards seek to celebrate Putin's 'role' in Brexit | Reuters
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Sick Boy
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No comment on Raab's recent remarks? It was refreshing to see him make a public u-turn and admit to being clueless.
SkyblueBazza
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Not sure what relevance his comments may have to my post, but as yet I have not heard his comments.
Maybe I will look them up later - because I'm sorry to say I have a high level of distrust in your assessment about his 'refreshing' public u-turn & apparent rather startling admission.
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Sick Boy
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Brexit Secretary now realizes importance of Dover-Calais crossing - CNN
Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab admits he 'did not quite understand' UK's reliance on Dover trade route
I'm sure you view both him and Davis as intellectual heavyweights.
The comments were in reaction to your bizarre post that doesn't really have relevance of influence at all, while you seem to think it more newsworthy and worth your time than comments by Raab.
Astute
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The lack of running water isn't down to location. It is down to being Roma. In Romania they don't want to be seen as prioritising Roma so nothing is done. It isn't a vote winner but is a vote loser. But it isn't just Romania.Where doesn't have running water? I'd imagine that it's a remote area of relatively new member, in which case I'm sure that it will do within 5-10 years. If hadn't joined it probably wouldn't have done, IMO.
Wherever there is money and humans, there's going to be corruption, EU or non EU and I believe that regeneration efforts are a positive thing and probably wouldn't have occurred in some countries, including the UK.
There are a couple of foodbanks in very, very rundown areas of Brighton, both of which are housed in buildings, which have been built with EU funding, there's no way governments here would have bothered building them. I'm sure it's the case in other run-down countries as well.
There's also an EU-wide aim at the moment to have free public wi-fi - EU approves €120 million plan to roll out free Wi-Fi . I can't see the UK bothering with that one, oh, and capping international call costs, following on from getting rid of data roaming.
Everyone has said that areas of it need reform but overall I wouldn't like to live in a country that's Tory-run country without the EU to keep them in check. Especially with the environment and labour laws, May has been very careful with her wording around employment rights.
I will enjoy my 33 days off + public holidays though
Water: Fighting for a Fundamental Human Right in Europe | University of Denver Water Law Review at the Sturm College of Law
Eu supplying food bank buildings? That is like saying food banks only exist because the EU provides the buildings for it to happen. If nearly half the EU budget wasn't used to help the rich and to keep food prices in Europe artificially high there would be less need for them. Then think if the good the money could do if used properly.
Workers rights? What are EU thoughts on zero hour contracts? The same as the UK government. You make out it is a given that ours will reduce once out of the EU. Ours isn't bad for the EU. Wouldn't want it as strong as say France. If changed too much it would be remembered at the polls.
I work about 142 shifts a year. I get paid extra if in on a public holiday. Quite happy myself. This is nothing to do with the EU :shifty:
Astute
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Clueless?
Are you trying to make him sound better than he actually is?
Absolute bell end is more apt.
Astute
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The bloke is a prick. He hasn't got a clue about what he should know everything about.
Astute
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The only thing of note I can think of Raab is that he added an A to his name. His real name is Rab. Other than that can't think of anything.
Sick Boy
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I didn't say the EU was supplying food banks, I said that it has built buildings that house them in very deprived areas of the city, something which the Tories most certainly wouldn't have done.
Let's revisit this in a few years, eh - Britannia Unchained - Wikipedia
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Anyone else would be out of a job, same goes for Davis with zero understanding of how EU trade worked.
Predicated on there being a deal.
Yeah yeah, 'that's a european commission forecast' -
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/forecast… 1.2%
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/17/british-chambers-of-commerce-downgrades-uk-growth-prediction… 1.1-1.3%
http://www.oecd.org/eco/outlook/economic-forecast-summary-united-kingdom-oecd-economic-outlook.pdf… 1.3%
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/real-gdp-growth/… 1.3%
Astute
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They all seem to be after trying to further their careers instead of doing their jobs. The only thing most of them do is continue with their agenda. Most of them don't care about the people they should be serving.
Astute
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Predictions are great. They can't be proven to be wrong. But at a later date when they are shown to be wrong you get the same answer. It was only a prediction.
+1.2% after Brexit? I will take that.
+1.2% of doing well is much better than 4% of doing not very well.
Astute
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Of course the Tories don't want food banks. They would prefer the poor to suffer in silence. It is the rules and regulations they keep bringing in that makes the situation worse.
We don't have homeless on the streets where we live. But we do have people that can't afford to feed themselves properly. My wife will be spending time over the Christmas period making sure that they get hot food/warm clothes. We live in a prosperous area where housing is still cheap and available. But it still isn't free to live.
skybluetony176
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Astute
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So the Tory government has collapsed?
Good news if so. But most probably a non story as usual.
Read your post through again. If you understand it, please explain it in English.
skybluetony176
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I said the honeymoon not the marriage.
Astute
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They have been in dispute for most of their time together. So why is this different?
Isn't it strange that you only ever mention the problems in the UK. Have you ever mentioned others in Europe that are having problems?
I see Mart agrees with you. Ask him how it is going on in Germany. This is what happens with coalitions.
skybluetony176
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What dispute(s) have they been in? Except the Irish border issue. They kissed and made up last time after TM backtracked. The DUP’s gripe this time is that she’s backtracking on the backtrack.
Considering that I live in the U.K. it’s not strange at all. You might enjoy the distraction of European woes but my interest is the U.K.
Why don’t you ask Mart. I’m not your PA.
The DUP is not in a coalition. What is happening in the UK is the result of Brexit. May tried to get a strong mandate for aTory Brexit. That didn’t go well.
Yes, other countries are having problems, but the UK is unusual as it was doing ok, but voted in effect for problems. Most countries don’t vote to wreck their economy.
To clarify: „Tuesday marks a year to the day since Theresa May'sConservatives sealed a deal with the Democratic Unionist Party(DUP) in order to keep the government afloat. It's known as a confidence-and-supply arrangement - meaning the government agreed a financial package with the DUP in exchange for support on certain issues.“
Not a coalition.
SkyblueBazza
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Well you being so sure of yourself about my views shows you up a bit then!
If you are unble to see the relevance to the thread - I won't waste my time trying to explain it to you.
My time has become increasingly far too precious to & generally better spent elsewhere.
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clint van damme
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Breaking - Boris's brother Jo resigns over Brexit.
A committed remainer - just like his sibling.
A committed remainer - just like his sibling.
skybluetony176
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Seems to put country before dogma.
Astute
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Good reply.
Considering you live in the UK you only ever seem interested in bad news for the UK and good news for the EU. That is why there is zero chance of having a debate with you.