SkyblueBazza
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No...the Mafia do that! You have indicated that yourself.
That is you claiming that - not me!
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No...the Mafia do that! You have indicated that yourself.You're off your head.
Presumably you'd cut off funding to the poorest parts of places like Sicily?
That is you claiming that - not me!To claim the EU is a stong driving force behind organised crime and that the Italian mafia clans would have a lot less influence without is utterly insane.
As I have said before the EU spends billions each year on administration. Over 6 billion a year IIRC. Why can't some of this go on watching where the money goes more closely?You're off your head.
Presumably you'd cut off funding to the poorest parts of places like Sicily?
Go and spend some time there, especially the Trapani region and find out how their lives of ordinary people have been ruined by organised crime. These people don't deserve to suffer even more.
To claim the EU is a stong driving force behind organised crime and that the Italian mafia clans would have a lot less influence without is utterly insane.
Cutting off EU funding will not put a hole in them nor will it make them less influential. It's all just wishful thinking and desperate stuff.
The only people who will be affected are those ordinary people.
I presume that you are aware of the tactics the mafia employ to get their hands on this land?
Yes Mart. Word it to how you want.
We were talking about the down side of migration as there was only supposed to be a good side to it and nothing else.
Up to 25% of population leaving.
Leaving kids behind.
Leaving old people to fend for themselves.
Whole areas becoming ghost towns.
Health care workers leaving so nowhere near enough left to look after their own people.
How long would you like the list to be?
Yes they should be able to migrate for a better and more prosperous life. But don't try to pretend that it is all good news. But that is your viewpoint. The EU allows it. People want to do it. So it must be good in every way.
A Romanian village feels the country’s emigration pain
The EU is directly subsidising it as explained in the Financial Times article I just quoted. Without the EU subsidies the Mafia's income and therefore its influence would be massively reduced.
As I have said before the EU spends billions each year on administration. Over 6 billion a year IIRC. Why can't some of this go on watching where the money goes more closely?
So they fund a scheme in Italy. They pay for the whole scheme. But it starts and goes no further. What is wrong with staged payments?
Five insane ways EU money was blown in Italy
No...the Mafia do that! You have indicated that yourself.
That is you claiming that - not me!
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I certainly agree they are likely have fingers in many pies in many countries - but I also agree that the EU is knowingly funding them. Only a dribble probably gets to where it is intended. Which suggests to me the money should be either taken away or fully accounted for. And by that I mean properly followed from top to bottom of the pyramid.I was not at all, another poster made the suggestion.
Just to put it into perspective, the 'Ndrangheta alone made over €53bn in 2014 and operates in several European countries, the most lucrative being drug trafficking.
How anyone could claim the EU is responsible for propping up the Mafia is beyond me. I'd be shocked if their reach didn't extend to having fingers in pies in the UK as well.
How about the link I gave? Millions given in aid to a supposed fully running project. But the building didn't even have a roof, running water and more. One quick visit would have shown it to be a scam.The EU does attempt to combat organised crime but the problem is that it's so well hidden and intertwined all the way to the very top that it's near enough impossible to stop it.
They also approach and intimidate local people into going along with their scams and obviously they are left with no choice.
It's such a shame as the south of Italy, and Sicily in particular is the most beautiful place in the world, IMO. You really should visit if you get the chance, especially the west of the island.
I certainly agree they are likely have fingers in many pies in many countries - but I also agree that the EU is knowingly funding them. Only a dribble probably gets to where it is intended. Which suggests to me the money should be either taken away or fully accounted for. And by that I mean properly followed from top to bottom of the pyramid.
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The problem I have is they spend over 6 billion a year on administration charges.I wouldn't say it is knowingly funding them, it probably doesn't have the resources to go and visit everything that's assigned money. In the south there's mostly been used properly and legally, it's not all being siphoned off by the mafia.
In an ideal world though none of it would land in the pockets of them, of course.
So in principal the two sides have agreed a deal. Has mart gone for a lie down?
So in principal the two sides have agreed a deal. Has mart gone for a lie down?
Now it'll really get interesting...I expect Corbyn only has an eye on power and would put his chances of getting in above anything else. Not that he'd reverse Brexit, but I think he will push for the collapse of May and the government.
Which means an election would be called in April or May - Which means a hard Brexit has already occurred.
You mean...self interest before the good of the country?Now it'll really get interesting...I expect Corbyn only has an eye on power and would put his chances of getting in above anything else. Not that he'd reverse Brexit, but I think he will push for the collapse of May and the government.
Which means an election would be called in April or May - Which means a hard Brexit has already occurred.
You mean...self interest before the good of the country?
Perhaps I should put a line through 'Labour' immediately after the English National Party & UKIP???
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What do you mean by cross party consensus? Because that could be said on just about every subject to do with Brexit.Article 50 would almost certainly be extended in that scenario. Labour’s policy is a customs union, which also has cross party consensus so you would think that negotiations would be pretty straight forward after that as it would sort most of the sticking points. Which begs the question that if there’s cross party consensus for a customs union why has May backed herself into a corner by insisting that there won’t be one.
Article 50 would almost certainly be extended in that scenario. Labour’s policy is a customs union, which also has cross party consensus so you would think that negotiations would be pretty straight forward after that as it would sort most of the sticking points. Which begs the question that if there’s cross party consensus for a customs union why has May backed herself into a corner by insisting that there won’t be one.
He goes against what the Tories say. He always wanted out of the EU.We probably disagree on what self- interest of the country would be, but yes I believe he would do. I still can't believe so many still seem to think he is secretly anti-Brexit and is waiting for the right moment to the pull the plug on it.
What do you mean by cross party consensus? Because that could be said on just about every subject to do with Brexit.
The only chance would be the Norway version. But that would bring its own problems. And then you have what comes with being in the customs union. Like having to stay with EU rules and regulations. Many don't want them.
He goes against what the Tories say. He always wanted out of the EU.
'Self interest of the country'???We probably disagree on what self- interest of the country would be, but yes I believe he would do. I still can't believe so many still seem to think he is secretly anti-Brexit and is waiting for the right moment to the pull the plug on it.
'Self interest of the country'???
I am on about Corbyn's self interest. All he is looking for is an opportunity to seize power when the time is right. He has no real desire to do what is right for me or you.
My take on crossing off Labour as a potential vote is precisely based upon that single-minded opportunism. Even Boris was laying things out from the perspective of what is right for the nation & not quite blatantly for Boris.
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What do you mean by cross party consensus? Because that could be said on just about every subject to do with Brexit.
The only chance would be the Norway version. But that would bring its own problems. And then you have what comes with being in the customs union. Like having to stay with EU rules and regulations. Many don't want them.
I think in that case the pro-remain MPs would revolt and it would remain a mess.
I read something today on there not being any visas needed for UK citizens visiting the continent after Brexit. Is that true?
Been mad busy with work and I've been trying to stay away anyway really. Just curious on this one as it was one of the things we were being told to be worried about.
That is the Norway version.Plenty don't want to divert away from them and slash regulations though. The EEA would be leaving the EU and allow the UK to strike its own trade deals, I believe.
Labour go against Tories and Tories go against Labour normally. But political parties have been forgotten about here.I know but so do plenty of Tories.
That is because the result said leave. A customs union isn't leave. And May said she is in charge of leaving.It’s a regular question on question time “why isn’t there cross party consensus on brexit” and all but the hardest Brexit MP’s always confirm that there is and it’s a customs union. It’s only the likes of Rees-Mogg, Davis, Boris and the rest of their little circle that are dismissive of it. They are in the minority in Parliament. The only cross party consensus is a customs union on brexit yet May won’t accept the possibility of the only brexit arrangement likely to get through Parliament. It’s an extremely odd thing to do.
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