How much % of UK GDP is fishing?
Minor industry? It is worth billions throughout the EU. And a high percentage of it comes from UK water. That is why the EU wants to keep their hands on it.
Fishing for Answers I—Brexit's Effect on the European Fishing Industry
Minor industry? It is worth billions throughout the EU. And a high percentage of it comes from UK water. That is why the EU wants to keep their hands on it.
Fishing for Answers I—Brexit's Effect on the European Fishing Industry
How much % of UK GDP is fishing?
To the people who work in the fishing industry it's 100% of GDP.
Thet is a very lame deflection, even by your standards. If you work in the fishing industry then it is 100% of your GDP.Are they in consensus? There are different types of catch. What does the fish processing industry think? Where do they get their raw materials? EU catches as well as UK? As far as I understand it, they are having problems because of the uncertainty.
To the people who work in the fishing industry it's 100% of GDP.
Thet is a very lame deflection, even by your standards. If you work in the fishing industry then it is 100% of your GDP.
You don't, so you don't give a shit.
And yet again you don't know what is going on or are trying to point score.
Give us a laugh and tell us what you know.
There are other industries that are more important for GDP and employment.
We have already seem that the EU has held the whip in these 'negotiations'
Only because they have a stooge Prime Minister in the UK who is happy to bow down and be whipped by her masters in Brussels.
Not for the people who live and work in the fishing communities.
You make me laugh sometimes Clint.
So you want to blame the person who voted leave because they live in an area with a large population of people who have moved there from the EU and they can't find somewhere to live. And they were told by politicians that vote leave means the end of more people from the EU being able to move there. Of course that will make them want to vote leave.
How about blaming those who are to blame? Try the politicians. Start with Cameron. He started it all off with his vote winner for the GE. How about all the politicians that lied to us and continue to lie to us. How about all the clueless politicians. How about the politicians who only aim to cause more division?
They obviously care more than the EU stooges in this thread do.Yeah, I'm sure they're right at the forefront of the pro-Brexit politicians' hearts and minds.
Not for the people who live and work in the fishing communities.
It's all about "money" to you people isn't it, and to hell with communites.Maybe not, but I wouldn’t put them above other economically more important workers or the good of the country. Let’s see what happens.
If leave goes tits up it will be the fault of everyone who voted for it. Not the EU, not people who voted remain, it will be down to people who voted leave.
And if it's a roaring success then the can take all the credit because it will be down to them.
It's all about "money" to you people isn't it, and to hell with communites.
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Following the vote, the country have put their faith in politicians to deliver a brexit that works best for us all.
I’m not sure that is quite fair Clint (I wasn’t even sure if you were joking - sorry if I missed the gag). People voted leave for a variety of reasons, many of which could/should have been addressed by the UK government and EU before the vote even took place.
Following the vote, the country have put their faith in politicians to deliver a brexit that works best for us all. They have limited/no control over this and both sides of the house have poorly executed the vote/will of the people; From Cameron providing no planning brexit pre vote and buggering off, to the government not really knowing what we wanted out of the negotiations, to the infighting in the Tories, to labour politicising the subject and that’s not to mention the EU wanting to ensure we didn’t have a good deal so as to not encourage others (after a continued rise in anti establishment parties across Europe). The list is endless.
One specific point, did those who voted leave want Philip Hammond to barely spend a relative penny on No Deal planning which not only weakened our negotiating position but in an inadvertent/accidental No Deal scenario drops us right in the shit ?!
There has been constant manovering by those in politics that wanted remain (70% of MPs by all accounts)....making it very difficult from day one.
I only decided to finally vote leave on the week of the referendum and I’ll take my small portion of the blame for what happens next (I’m the only one out of a large group of mates that admitted that I had voted that way - let’s just say it wasn’t a popular decision !)
However, no friend or politician has been able to persuade me that my reasons were wrong since the vote. So will I take all of blame based on what’s happens before or since....no chance. And would I change my position/vote ? Bizarrely, even considering the potential negative financial impact on me at totally the wrong time...No.
Anyway, the EU/establishment might well end up with what they wanted all along...a second referendum to ensure that the public vote the right way this time. This brings me personally full circle as it was one of the main reasons why I vote leave....after going on Wikipedia in that final week pre referendum (see Ireland x2, France, Holland etc) and seeing how the public have been treated in the past when it came to EU referendums.
It's all about "money" to you people isn't it, and to hell with communites.
So why didn’t the EU go on the charm offensive when Cameron went out with his begging bowl ?!
Reason is both sides were too arrogant to believe the public would vote leave !
Ps Ireland was dug out of the shit in the financial crisis, that’s maybe part of the reason they are so pro EU (not sure how much but definitely would play a part).
It's a prediction based upon May's concession and words spoken by the Spanish PM.
We have already seem that the EU has held the whip in these 'negotiations' despite claims by many, including yourself,that the UK would be calling the shots "as the need us more than we need them".
I'm not the one who tries to claim that my opinion is "the truth".
Love the arrogance of people voting for what they don’t understand because they think it’s not going to directly affect them. How ironic and perfect for our current society and the older generation blame the younger generation for being short term minded and not considering the consequences. Brilliantly ironic
What a day to be alive!!
Yes, but they voted pro EU in the second vote. Seems only the UK doesn’t like giving people a second chance when they know more about the subject and have a deal on the table. What makes you think that it is only the „EU establishment“ ( whatever that is ) that wants a say on the final deal?
They’re not but it’s a bit rich the older generation not learning from itThe young generation are the same people who voted in the most anti Eu politician since Michael Foot and Wedgewood Benn as leader of the opposition.
The same young generation previously adored Nicholas Clegg as he promised a bribe on student loans
They hardly seem like long term deep thinkers to me
Why did you vote leave steve?
Good question Pete...although you may regret asking !!!
I’ve mentioned a couple on this thread but since you asked....
Uncontrolled (not to be confused with controlled please !) immigration. Let’s just say a lack of proper control of EU migration. The argument May finally mentioned at the CBI conference last week is one I raised with friends two to three years ago. How can a low skilled person from the EU, potentially without a job (and also without us having a need for their skill) have an easier chance to live and work here than skilled labour from outside the EU ? It’s just doesn’t feel right. Could we fully sustain the numbers in terms of infrastructure/public services ? I have raised the fact that none of recent Uk governments have helped !
We are well and truly the black sheep of Europe already (not in Euro, Schengen) and they will contiue to forge an ever closer union. Therefore eventually there would be other decisions to make so why not now. I honestly believe(d) that we don’t need to be in the political union to have a strong trading and supportive foreign policy relationship.
The world is changing and I believe(d) that we shouldn’t be a part of something the appears to put barriers in the way of international trade. If some of the numbers of the waste from agriculatural subsidies is correct, it’s outrageous and an embarrassment in this day and age.
That being said, I also like the closeness, ease of travel etc and understand fully the benefits in terms of frictionless trade etc etc
But as I say I was pretty much down the middle and was debating it with loads of people on the run up (the good and the bad etc). I suppose what eventually swung it was more of an emotional decision as much as a logical one (which I’m a little embarrassed to say).
Deep down I’m a proud patriot and was just sick of the EUs arrogance towards us (and some other nations). When they basically told Cameron to piss off, I started reading up more and more on the EU, previous treaties etc and just didn’t like what I saw and read. I like to think of myself as a thinker/worrier so have continued to debate whether I did right thing but every time I still come back to the same answer, even though it’s with an element of regret.
They’re not but it’s a bit rich the older generation not learning from it
Thank you. Shouldn’t be embarrassed by an emotional decision. What you’ve elucidated is a balance which is what’s missing from most emotional claptrap on either side. For free travel you need free movement. For free trade you need a frictionless border etc etc. One more positive than another and one more negative than another.Good question Pete...although you may regret asking !!!
I’ve mentioned a couple on this thread but since you asked....
Uncontrolled (not to be confused with controlled please !) immigration. Let’s just say a lack of proper control of EU migration. The argument May finally mentioned at the CBI conference last week is one I raised with friends two to three years ago. How can a low skilled person from the EU, potentially without a job (and also without us having a need for their skill) have an easier chance to live and work here than skilled labour from outside the EU ? It’s just doesn’t feel right. Could we fully sustain the numbers in terms of infrastructure/public services ? I have raised the fact that none of recent Uk governments have helped !
We are well and truly the black sheep of Europe already (not in Euro, Schengen) and they will contiue to forge an ever closer union. Therefore eventually there would be other decisions to make so why not now. I honestly believe(d) that we don’t need to be in the political union to have a strong trading and supportive foreign policy relationship.
The world is changing and I believe(d) that we shouldn’t be a part of something the appears to put barriers in the way of international trade. If some of the numbers of the waste from agriculatural subsidies is correct, it’s outrageous and an embarrassment in this day and age.
That being said, I also like the closeness, ease of travel etc and understand fully the benefits in terms of frictionless trade etc etc
But as I say I was pretty much down the middle and was debating it with loads of people on the run up (the good and the bad etc). I suppose what eventually swung it was more of an emotional decision as much as a logical one (which I’m a little embarrassed to say).
Deep down I’m a proud patriot and was just sick of the EUs arrogance towards us (and some other nations). When they basically told Cameron to piss off, I started reading up more and more on the EU, previous treaties etc and just didn’t like what I saw and read. I like to think of myself as a thinker/worrier so have continued to debate whether I did right thing but every time I still come back to the same answer, even though it’s with an element of regret.
Anyone who voted for May is culpable though to be fair, she didn't have a lot f room to manoeuvre, though again, people should have known that from the start.
Learning from what?
I voted leave as I do not want to be part of some grotesque capitalist club that will increase fiscal and political control over its member states - it’s a capitalist USSR and it’s not for me
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