Grendel
Well-Known Member
Thanks once again for presenting a wonderful argument to leave.
How do you think relying on trading with trading partners such as the USA and China is going to pan out? Instead of being part of a powerful economic union, we are now a distressed trading partner with less clout in the world than the EU. The capitalist communist fourth Reich EUSSR has shown that it is quite capable of uniting 27 governments to obtain their target. The UK has had enormous problems trying to unite itself.
Not so Clint.
Mrs May’s Draft Agreement bears no resemblance to the vision she set out in her Lancaster House speech in January 2017.
She has betrayed not only that vision of Brexit but also the entire electorate, Leavers and Remainers alike, in cobbling together this dreadful capitulation.
This sell-out Agreement has the potential to ruin the UK.
Farage is correct to call her the most duplicitous PM in history.
Thanks once again for presenting a wonderful argument to leave.
Saying the EU is a protectionist bloc means that it protects it’s members and can negotiate better trade deals. It has stood up for Ireland very well in the negotiations over the British border on the island of Ireland. The UK doesn’t have to make a pro USA FTA under EU membership. Enjoy the MAGA trade negotiations.
And what happened to Farage‘s vision when presented against reality? Oh... I know, blame May. He has since admitted that Brexit is not about economics ( which translated means we will take a hit ) and he is appalled that the even harder right is picking up the Brexit Banner. He quite rightly says that the hard right could damage Brexit as more and more people are wanting a say on the way things are going. Let’s see if there is violence on Tommy‘s Brexit Betrayal March. If there is, then the cat is out of the sack and we know what sort of people are pushing for a hard Brexit.
Off the meds again?
To be brutally honest mart, like many others on here I have absolutely no interest in anything you have to say on this subject. As a general rule I skip over your manic posts.
There are plenty of Remainers on here who argue their case based on genuine concern about the consequences for the UK.
You’re not one of them mart.
Bollocks. I think Brexit is a total cock up based on populist bullshit. I keep pointing out the fallacies of the Brexit argument, which obviously annoys people like you who are convinced that Brexit is the greatest thing since sliced bread and won’t have a word said against it. It isn’t. And I am concerned about the mess the UK could end up in, particularly the division this has caused. The fact that a thug is now joining the Brexit cause, having previously specialised in anti Islam causes, is disconcerting. Brexit isn’t even his thing... normally. But, stick your head in the sand if it helps.
Well your opinion is wrong again. The Spanish had to let it go. But they don't have the only politicians that lie.It's a prediction based upon May's concession and words spoken by the Spanish PM.
We have already seem that the EU has held the whip in these 'negotiations' despite claims by many, including yourself,that the UK would be calling the shots "as the need us more than we need them".
I'm not the one who tries to claim that my opinion is "the truth".
Didn’t you say you are looking forward to the pound collapsing so you can come home for a few days and it will be financially better for you?
But you had just said that the people at fault for Brexit were those who voted for it. Millions voted for Brexit because of the effect being in the EU has had on their lives. They are not the ones who lied.I came to the conclusion the Tories would fuck this up. If I could draw that conclusion why couldn't others?
And if they're right and I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and say so not try to make excuses.
My theory that the Tories would make a mess of this process is looking right at the moment though I'd say.
Try looking at the arrogance of some people who voted remain and didn't like the result.Love the arrogance of people voting for what they don’t understand because they think it’s not going to directly affect them. How ironic and perfect for our current society and the older generation blame the younger generation for being short term minded and not considering the consequences. Brilliantly ironic
What a day to be alive!!
And there is the point.The only benefit I can see. But, I would prefer it not to happen. A few quid either way is not the end of the world. I am not going to advocate Brexit because I think it will benefit me with a few quid for my holidays. I would prefer remaining and me not having a discounted holiday.
Well your opinion is wrong again. The Spanish had to let it go. But they don't have the only politicians that lie.
Only because the negotiation is by someone who has an identical political ideology to yourself
And there is the point.
You don't live in the UK. You have lived in Germany most of your life. Yet you think that you should dictate to those who suffer because of EU rules and regulations.
I still think that we should have voted remain. But I fully understand why most didn't. And I am not going to call them idiots just because I don't like the result.
I retire in 9 years maximum. It looks like it is going to fuck my retirement plans up. But does that mean I should ignore those who suffer? But there again you seem to think everyone does well out of us being in the EU.
Hahahahaha! You're on fine form today. In that case yours is identical to Corbyn's
I'm sure you were advocating Davis to be an intrim Pm recently as well hahha
May shares your view on the EU does she not?
That's because you are far more intelligent than everyone else. B.A.(Hons) in Hindsight and European Studies. Masters in Modesty.well more fool them. I knew from the start where this was leading, why couldn't others see it?
II see the EU have signed off on Mays deal. It's that bad it's got me and Ernie agreeing on something, Anyone who voted for May is culpable though to be fair, she didn't have a lot f room to manoeuvre, though again, people should have known that from the start.
Bravo, oucho. But you can't possibly stay on this thread with a reasonable view like that !This is what annoys me about this debate: Tony Blair (remember him?) on TV this morning talking about a second referendum: "“Both the Remain campaign, and the Leave campaign should jointly agree that this vote is final, doesn’t matter how marginal it is, it’s final. Once this is resolved then that’s it for a generation.”
That's what happened in the 2016 until loads of people on the losing side conveniently forgot about the above and tried to pretend the first vote was a glorified opinion poll and didn't actually require the government to get on with Brexit. I was pro-Remain but fair's fair, the winning side should see the result enacted, just as the other side had expected had it gone the other way.
That's because you are far more intelligent than everyone else. B.A.(Hons) in Hindsight and European Studies. Masters in Modesty.
My main motivator for voting remain was a total distrust of the tories to deliver a successful Brexit. I've seen nothing to alter that opinion.
And although economic meltdown is a bit strong the economy is definitely struggling, whether that is a result of brexit or not will be debated ad nauseum on here no doubt.
But you had just said that the people at fault for Brexit were those who voted for it. Millions voted for Brexit because of the effect being in the EU has had on their lives. They are not the ones who lied.
And now Macron says the EU needs to reform. That is coming from one of the most vocal in favour of the EU you can find.
Bravo, oucho. But you can't possibly stay on this thread with a reasonable view like that !
Would that be the man that promised a referendum on voting reform before the 1997 election then dumped the idea when he got a massive majority.This is what annoys me about this debate: Tony Blair (remember him?) on TV this morning talking about a second referendum: "“Both the Remain campaign, and the Leave campaign should jointly agree that this vote is final, doesn’t matter how marginal it is, it’s final. Once this is resolved then that’s it for a generation.”
That's what happened in the 2016 until loads of people on the losing side conveniently forgot about the above and tried to pretend the first vote was a glorified opinion poll and didn't actually require the government to get on with Brexit. I was pro-Remain but fair's fair, the winning side should see the result enacted, just as the other side had expected had it gone the other way.
Making up things again I see.Had to let it go? It sounds like your predictions of the UK holding all of the cards.
Making up things again I see.
You kept saying no deal. I said there was a deal to be made. I said it would be made at the very last minute.
So what has happened?
You made out they didn't need us but we needed them. If that was the case you would have been right for once.
Making up things again I see.
You kept saying no deal. I said there was a deal to be made. I said it would be made at the very last minute.
So what has happened?
You made out they didn't need us but we needed them. If that was the case you would have been right for once.
the deal on the table is appalling.
Hopefully it will not get through parliament and I fully expect that to be the case. When you have remainers saying they'd rather have no deal and leavers saying they'd rather remain than have Mays deal that tells you all you need to know.
It's your double standards. You whine about people who hedge on Britain leaving the EU yet because Soros who is in the same game is a remainer he's ok.Any particular reason for saying that? Or are you just talking crap? Judging by the source of the likes you received, I would bet on „just talking crap“.
It's your double standards. You whine about people who hedge on Britain leaving the EU yet because Soros who is in the same game is a remainer he's ok.
The fact that you have Brexiteers saying that we'd be better off staying in the EU than the deal says it all!
He is 89 years old and I have no knowledge of whether he is hedging on remainers getting another referendum.
You continually said that the EU would give into demands as the UK bought French cheese, Italian wine, went on holiday etc.
As expected it turned out to be a bollocks. If it all goes pear shaped I genuinely expect that you'll try and make out you were 100% remain.
I reality I actually said that the UK will go for for the EEA option and still think it will do.
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