dutchman
Well-Known Member
Well yes he would say that wouldn't he? (Whether it was true or not). It's called 'negotiating'.
European Council President Donald Tusk, meanwhile, has stressed that the deal the EU struck with Theresa May was the "only possible one".
Well yes he would say that wouldn't he? (Whether it was true or not). It's called 'negotiating'.
Which is why it might end up getting passed through parliament.
Which is why it might end up getting passed through parliament.
Red LinesHow is that negotiating?
It doesn't need all of them to do it. And there are plenty of Labour MP's who want Brexit to happen.I just can't see the hardline Brexiteers getting behind it and a majority of Labour MPs are unlikely to vote it through either.
It doesn't need all of them to do it. And there are plenty of Labour MP's who want Brexit to happen.
You have said yourself how bad a hard Brexit could be. Are you saying that you would vote for a hard Brexit?
Red Lines
"red lines relate to the boundary of diplomacy and sanction behaviour. But they are also a useful feature of negotiating strategy. Don't confuse them with 'bottom lines', or 'must avoid' positions, which describe walk away positions. Normally a negotiator will not reveal his bottom line position to the counterparty because revelation can change the perception of the balance of power. If buyers know that the bottom line for a seller is a discount of x%, and no more, then their power to get that discount is increased. Similarly, if they know that the seller 'must avoid' losing the order, their position is strengthened."
(I'd have thought Martcov knew all this already, being the travelling super entrepreneur and economics expert he is, but apparently not.)
It doesn't need all of them to do it. And there are plenty of Labour MP's who want Brexit to happen.
You have said yourself how bad a hard Brexit could be. Are you saying that you would vote for a hard Brexit?
How is that twisting words? What have you said about a hard Brexit?That’s one way of twisting someone’s words.
There was a calculator online recently that highlighted just how much the odds are stacked against getting it through parliament.
Are you saying that you would vote for a hard Brexit?
If the vote goes against May there could be a second vote to try and get it through
May not ruling out second MPs' Brexit vote
Can someone give me an example of how the EU has impacted negatively their daily life.
Can someone give me an example of how the EU has impacted negatively their daily life.
Conversely how has it had any positive impact?
Conversely how has it had any positive impact?
Can someone give me an example of how the EU has impacted negatively their daily life.
Can someone give me an example of how the EU has impacted negatively their daily life.
Once the Lisbon treaty its had a diminution of political power within the country.
The country pays significantly more into the Eu than it gets out and it supports projects in Eu states which no one can have an influence on
Freedom of movement when you are a major provider into the movement cannot by definition be positive. I’d suggest many people in certain communities have been impacted negatively by this - I haven’t
The political integration and economic control is increasing. We are often told devolution of power is a positive but the EU is the antithesis of this - surely if devolution is good then the EU is bad
If you believe in socialism it’s whole doctrine is repulsive to your ideological beliefs
It is non Democratic in its decision making
It is morally bankrupt. It holds poverty stricken members to ransom and directly controls their budgets and fiscal policies
It has limits on fiscal control by individual states
Your question is too simplistic. If you’d ask a teenager in the Soviet Union the same regarding the USSR influence what could they say as they’d have not known a difference.
It’s intersting Isn’t it that cabinet minutes were suppressed by the Wilson government and also the Heath government when the decisions to join and then if to remain in the EEC were discussed as they revealed intent far beyond free trade.
If political and fiscal union was so wonderful why - even then - were people lied to and deceived.
Freedom to live and work in an EEA country, cheaper phone calls, free access to health services in an EEA country.
So how has the EU negatively impacted your day-to-day life?
The EEA costs the government a fortune - its a burden to the taxpayer
Oddly I work with several non EEA people who if they wish can remain here permanently after 5 years
Cheaper phone calls than cost a net £8 - £13 billion a year depending who you believe
Yes I’ve changed my mind
I know I will not change anybody's mind here. But if you can't actually come up with an example of how your daily life is negatively impacted then thanks for your input and I'll just wait for someone who has a more concrete example.
Freedom to live and work in an EEA country, cheaper phone calls, free access to health services in an EEA country.
So how has the EU negatively impacted your day-to-day life?
The point is your question is absurd
90% of people were not impacted negatively by the 2008 recession - it doesn’t mean the recession was a good idea does it. I haven’t been impacted by any of the 3 recessions I’ve worked through
Also you can’t actually know if you’ve been negatively impacted without knowing the alternative. I’m sure many North Koreans would agree with you as they don’t know an alternative.
So it’s not the negative but the potential positives that should be discussed.
Cheaper roaming charges only benefit those who are able to make use of them, the cost to the networks is passed on to everyone else. The same goes for every other supposed 'benefit'.
Yes it is.Is that a negative day-to-day impact for you?
No I haven't.Maybe you've misread the question.
Yes it is.
No I haven't.
Yes it is.
No I haven't.
Can someone give me an example of how the EU has impacted negatively their daily life.
A massive oversupply of non skilled Labour from Eastern Europe has directly lowered my wage in the fitness industry and also my friends who are builders who have to now compete with them who can do the same job for half the price because they don’t have the same outgoings. Lower wages have massively hurt me.
We pay a net 10 billion pounds of taxpayers money. That 10 billion could be spent here in my opinion. Other countries don’t have that financial burden.
Fruit and food in general is a lot more expensive because of the EU customs union being protectionist. The EU directly apply tariffs to fruit for example from outside the EU to protect EU fruit producers keeping the prices artificially high. I know a few pence isn’t massive but it’s the point and soon adds up. It’s a big reason why Tim Martin of weatherspoons wants to just leave. This also applies to a lot of products.
I could go on but I’ve made my point and I hope sincerely you understand my points. Happy to debate them.
Cheaper roaming charges only benefit those who are able to make use of them, the cost to the networks is passed on to everyone else. The same goes for every other supposed 'benefit'.
Ok. I'll give you an example. The mandatory contracting out of public services driven by the public contracts directive, it has led to widespread privatisation and decline in wages and conditions.The question was quite simple, agreed. So answer it please.
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