Sick Boy
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What are you on about? I was talking about EU migration. Just admit you got something wrong for once ffs
And here you go. Now disprove what you said.
See? There you have it...you are automatically assuming this (if indeed it is one) myth has anything whatsoever to do with anyone in the UK. I don't know tbh...nor give a shit. I suspect the cost of researching & setting up such a site is not especially money well spent though.
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Illegal immigrants can’t be removed easily? What’s that based on? Once they’re found they are usually deported without many problems. I would presme you mean those who have claimed asylum and failed, and the disappeared?
What are you on about? I was talking about EU migration. Just admit you got something wrong for once ffs
Then you said
So is EU migration illegal immigration or are you having a problem with admitting that you are wrong or mistaken and would prefer to accuse me of what you have done more than just hold your hand up and admit something for once.
Then you said
So is EU migration illegal immigration or are you having a problem with admitting that you are wrong or mistaken and would prefer to accuse me of what you have done more than just hold your hand up and admit something for once.
See? There you have it...you are automatically assuming this (if indeed it is one) myth has anything whatsoever to do with anyone in the UK. I don't know tbh...nor give a shit. I suspect the cost of researching & setting up such a site is not especially money well spent though.
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I’ve already told you it’s enforced in Italy, if you don’t and abide by the rules then you lose access to residency and healthcare and other public services. Again, it’s a EU rule that the UK does not use to the full extent that it could do.
Illegal immigrants can’t be removed easily? What’s that based on? Once they’re found they are usually deported without many problems. I would presme you mean those who have claimed asylum and failed, and the disappeared?
I don’t know what your definition of without any problems but didn’t the government say it’s a huge problem in Italy and they are trying to find a way of removing half a million illegal immigrants.
He said „it’s enforced in Italy“. It being the 90 day rule for legal EU FOM migrants. You are now on about illegal immigration. Nothing whatsoever to do with the EU or FOM.... which was brought up by Astute.
I don’t know what your definition of without any problems but didn’t the government say it’s a huge problem in Italy and they are trying to find a way of removing half a million illegal immigrants.
Good, it’s the worst deal in history. It will be rightly voted down.
I’ve been calling for Mrs May to go for a while now stating she is the problem. This might finally be it but I’m not holding my breath.
It's pretty sad that they have to set up a page to dispel the myths that some elements of the UK media have put out relentlessly.
I am not trying to belittle you or anyone else, I have family members with similar views to you. If you take your information from certain sources then it's not surprising that you parrot that information. You may be dismissive of social media, I myself am of facebook, but twitter and reddit are more like news distribution services and are therefore potentially useful. Of course, one can choose to only source info from people who agree with you but that's pretty pointless imo. I studied science so am more persuaded by things that have some grounding in fact. Most of the brexit arguments are rhetorical, emotive and nationalistic. The remain arguments are far more persuasive to me personally.
The strongest predictor of likelihood to vote leave was education. I'm not saying that people who leave school at 15/16 are stupid, I left at 16 myself. I went to uni as a mature student. The point about education is the more you learn, the more you learn how little you know. Things are not simple. There are so many levels to everything.
We can take a gamble that may well ruin the country for generations to come. There doesn't seem to be too much evidence that it will actually return us to the superpower that we once were. Or we can stick with the status quo.
It's pretty sad that they have to set up a page to dispel the myths that some elements of the UK media have put out relentlessly.
I am not trying to belittle you or anyone else, I have family members with similar views to you. If you take your information from certain sources then it's not surprising that you parrot that information. You may be dismissive of social media, I myself am of facebook, but twitter and reddit are more like news distribution services and are therefore potentially useful. Of course, one can choose to only source info from people who agree with you but that's pretty pointless imo. I studied science so am more persuaded by things that have some grounding in fact. Most of the brexit arguments are rhetorical, emotive and nationalistic. The remain arguments are far more persuasive to me personally.
The strongest predictor of likelihood to vote leave was education. I'm not saying that people who leave school at 15/16 are stupid, I left at 16 myself. I went to uni as a mature student. The point about education is the more you learn, the more you learn how little you know. Things are not simple. There are so many levels to everything.
We can take a gamble that may well ruin the country for generations to come. There doesn't seem to be too much evidence that it will actually return us to the superpower that we once were. Or we can stick with the status quo.
Good, it’s the worst deal in history. It will be rightly voted down.
I’ve been calling for Mrs May to go for a while now stating she is the problem. This might finally be it but I’m not holding my breath.
1, You mentioned pensions.
2, You mentioned house prices.
3, All politicians lie. Look no further than Bliar and failed military interventions looking for WMD's.
4, So nothing has happened about global warming? I have the largest offshore wind farm in Europe on my doorstep. Coal generated electric is about finished. Emissions are well down per head. But the biggest problem is the population going up. Electric cars are now grabbing market space. I take it your generation did all this.
Everything about global warming is a prediction. The problem is that we still have mass producers like China. Should we make cows extinct?
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Are you suggesting the EU set up a page to dispel 'myths' as propogated by the UK media? And these 'myths' are not held in similar esteem elsewhere?
Wonder what 'certain sources' you believe of which I am a 'parrot'...but let me assure you that you are almost certainly wrong if I am guessing correctly.
I am dissmissive of, or at least take with a pinch of salt, most media in whatever form you care to mention.
As for levels - you are absolutely correct. Ypu talk of ruining the country for generations, whereas others would argue that continuing on the same path as the EU will lead us to ruin anyway. Both camps talk mostly of the economy (growth...unsustainable in the modern world imo) businesses & money. Like keeping a ship on a steady course, though all its crew are dying of starvation or whatever. What about the overall quality of life?!
There are few ethics in politics...that is why Labour will not support ANY circumstance for Brexit as they seem to see its rejection as an opportunity to create the right kind of chaos to suit them...& bring them to power.
As for the status quo...scientist you say???
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Outright lie? You gave me a mini lecture on why we can't remove illegal immigrants but other countries can. Mart agreed with you as always. So then I posted a link on how Germany has problems deporting anyone and then I posted a l8nk showing Italy also has a problem deporting anyone.I was discussing the 90 day rule and how Italy enforces this and makes checks on EU residents once they’ve registered and denies services to those who do not comply, unless they have funds for themselves.
This was in response to someone say it was completely deregulated, which it is not in that respect. The UK has the option to enforce the same but it does not.
You claimed I said that Italy doesn’t have a problem with illegal immigration, which was an outright lie to back up your argument.
Illegal immigrants can’t be removed easily? What’s that based on? Once they’re found they are usually deported without many problems. I would presme you mean those who have claimed asylum and failed, and the disappeared?
You were saying we don't but others in the EU do. So no you didn't name Italy or Germany. But I gave links for Germany on behalf of your pal Mart and Italy for you.Illegal immigration here and in Italy is very different, especially as a lot of the African countries try and refuse to have their own citizens returned to them. The comment about illegal immigration was referencing the UK, not Italy.
Bizarrely Astute claimed I said Italy has zero problems with illegal immigration.
I don’t know what your definition of without any problems but didn’t the government say it’s a huge problem in Italy and they are trying to find a way of removing half a million illegal immigrants.
There are two paragraphs in his comment - the second giving his view on illegal immigrants
Outright lie? You gave me a mini lecture on why we can't remove illegal immigrants but other countries can. Mart agreed with you as always. So then I posted a link on how Germany has problems deporting anyone and then I posted a l8nk showing Italy also has a problem deporting anyone.
Suddenly you didn't say this
Of course you didn't say it. Yet we can all see it in black and white. You are talking about illegal immigrants. Or would you like to explain how illegal immigrants came with an EU passport.
Of course you won't. Nothing changes on this thread.if you get it wrong you blame me for it. Or say I put the words in your mouth.
The conversation started about FOM and got somehow deflected into nothing to do with FOM.
The UN are trying to facilitate migration. Many countries have refused to sign this agreement including Australia, Italy & Hungry, Bulgaria, Austria, Poland, the Czech Republic and Croatia
Global compact for migration
There is a HoP petition but I bet May signs. The press have been spectacularly silent on this.
Petition: The UK should not agree the UN's Global Compact for Migration
It’s bizarre, isn’t it?
I didn’t get anything wrong. I was talking about the UK not imposing EU rules for EU working migrants and you somehow included non EU economic migrants and those claiming asylum.
You then made up claims that I’d said something completely different to back up your argument.
As I’ve said before, not everything is about you. Yet again you’ve made it about yourself and played the victim.
It would have been better to discuss why the UK hasn’t bothered to impose the 90 day rule and why most people are actually unaware of it and that the Uk has bothered to use it.
Also how is it going to work post-Brexit? IMO Brexit will make it more likely that ID cards are introduced in the future.
715 pages. 25,000 posts.
What have we learned, if anything at all?
It’s clealy a tactic from her and the dribbling remainers to delay leaving and not leave at all
..that the majority of voters in the UK are not happy remaining in the European Union as it stands .That Brexit has split the nation?
..that the majority of voters in the UK are not happy remaining in the European Union as it stands .
Don't some of you ever take a break from this crap ?
Don't some of you ever take a break from this crap ?
Well, you know that is not true. They reached their peak of 52% in June 2016 and it’s been downhill for most of the time since then. Latest figures 54% remain and 46% leave. Chances of May’s Brexit, virtually nil. GE virtually nil. Referendum with remain on the ballot, support growing.
Do you not read or listen or watch what is happening?
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