I'd be very interested to see the results of a total referendum across the whole zone, just to see what the percentages really would be. Nobody thought the leave vote would prevail here ! I can never forget meeting my remain voting mate for a pint and chat after voting and our polling station was close to a bookmakers.......it was 1/9 for a remain win , 9/1 for leave........I thought that's that then, lets just get on with life................. I wish I'd had a few quid on it now !!
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)
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Grendel
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In this so called positive poll 4 countries consistently are lower than the uk in the opinion of the EU
Astute
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And what comment supposedly made you make this comment?
You posted a link on how France took illegal immigrants wrongly back to Italy. Then you post saying France welcomes immigrants from outside the EU.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
If you just want to be deliberately obtuse, then go ahead.
It’s not hard to work out that as a country it will officially take in some but then others will try and enter illegally.
Highest in 35 years. Not good enough. How’s leave getting on? Lowest since the referendum?
I cannot speak for the whole EU, but Germany would vote remain. There’s no real discussion about leaving. Even the hard right would keep the EU, but make it into a rightwingers paradise. Europe for the Europeans and end sanctions on Russia.
Grendel
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Why don’t you share the results by country?
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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So what ?
Just saying. Grendel was on about how unpopular the EU was in Italy. As a whole it is gaining in popularity. Just pointing that out as balance.
Fact based discussion.
They weren’t in the report.
The posh are the old Etonians and they seem to be more interested in their own posh dining tables. Lord Snooty is not interested in EU folk, just UK toffs and the aristocracy. He even married one of the aristocracy.
Astute
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Me being obtuse?
So you talk up them taking in illegal immigrants. You point out that they illegally remove illegal immigrants. Yet you can't find a link anywhere.
Astute
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Is that because we are leaving and they didn't count us?
Or were they more selective in where they asked people? Because right wingers are growing by the day. And these are people who do not love the EU as much as you do.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
If you are genuinely having problems understanding it then I don’t know what to say.
Astute
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So why do they have a right wing government?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The country has a coalition, one partner is more far-right.
Astute
Well-Known Member
I understand from your link that they illegally removed people. But you praise them for taking immigrants in. The two don't go together well.
Astute
Well-Known Member
So you mean right wing and very right wing?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
The 5Star, right-wing?
They aren’t right wing but they do appeal across the political spectrum, they have some very left-wing politicians amongst them.
Apologies, think it was badly phrased
The same reason we do. Effective propaganda.
Right wingers are in the minority in continental Europe.
dancers lance
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It is now looking likely that (after the poorest governing of a country in the whole of history) we could be asked to vote in another referendum regarding this issue.
What would be the options on the voting card?
As we all know, anyone who voted out has been portrayed as a thick, uneducated, racist halfwit. An underclass so stupid, so pointless, (they had no idea what they were voting for) and we know this to be true because middle class, university educated ideologues say so.
So I submit that the first question on the card should be...
As you can't be trusted to have free thought because people know better than you, do you still want to leave the EU. Yes or No
What should the other questions be?
What would be the options on the voting card?
As we all know, anyone who voted out has been portrayed as a thick, uneducated, racist halfwit. An underclass so stupid, so pointless, (they had no idea what they were voting for) and we know this to be true because middle class, university educated ideologues say so.
So I submit that the first question on the card should be...
As you can't be trusted to have free thought because people know better than you, do you still want to leave the EU. Yes or No
What should the other questions be?
They did count us. At the time remaining was 52%. It is more now.
You say that, but is there any evidence that people think 17,4 million people are thick?
I would ask how do we leave without making the country weaker?
dancers lance
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There is absolutely no evidence for that and likewise no evidence for 17.4 million people being racists or bigots but this has been the tactic used against them by people with an specific agenda. I don't think we can leave without making our country weaker in the short term, but surely that proposition doesn't override democracy, weather it be right or wrong?
Astute
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So what was the question? Because many of those I know that voted remain don't think as much of the EU as they did before this debacle started. We have learned much more about the EU than we ever knew before. And most people don't like what they have found out.
It isn't that people want to stay in the EU. It is more the fear of what could happen if we leave.
dancers lance
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I couldn't agree more, the UK has become the metaphorical casting couch to an EU dominated, unwanted, awkward, late night.. oily grinding. This, in the vague hope that when it's all over, we might just get a little something out of it.
That’s not true. More leavers have changed to remainers. You don’t know why. You are just saying that. There are a lot of people who didn’t know what the EU does, and now know it’s benefits. I have not seen a survey on the reasons for remain growing. You are assuming they don’t like the EU, but are now remain without evidence.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Can't you do any better than that ? Lame.
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Gazolba
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I don't know about the rest of you but I'm starting to get a real feeling that Brexit is not going to happen.
Parliament will not give its blessing. May will be kicked out, there will be another referendum and the vote will be 'remain'.
The only doubt will be, will the EU now let us remain, or tell us remain is no longer an option?
Parliament will not give its blessing. May will be kicked out, there will be another referendum and the vote will be 'remain'.
The only doubt will be, will the EU now let us remain, or tell us remain is no longer an option?
That’s what the polls say. Not me. You seem to be in complete denial about what is happening.
If people, including parliament, parliament being sovereign not the people, want another referendum then it’s democratic to give them one. Finality is not the language of democracy. ( Benjamin Disraeli ).
If that happens and I believe it possible there will be a deep seated hatred and distrust of the EU that wasn't even there before the referendum......and from Remainers who won't want to be made to look stupid for locking us in once again
skybluegod
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I would bet my life that it happens. There might be a second referendum but it would definitely go in leave's favor. People, like myself, would swap their vote to leave, it would undermine the democratic process to have another vote. May also won't be kicked out as it's suicide for conservatives.
The EU have already said we can stay in the EU, if it came to it.