Sick Boy
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A mate of mine’s dad used to be the builder for a famous Canadian singer and guitarist who moved next to a pub, got annoyed by the noise, so bought it and shut it down.
Agree. Or moves in above a pub that’s been there for years and complains about the noise from customers coming and going.
this fella is always worth a listen:
edit: at work so may posted wrong link in rush but he says a lot about Brexit, for and against.
Also very anti neo liberalist, which lets face it, is what we're going to end up with either way, whether the global neo liberalists of the EU or the more right leaning home grown tory types like rees mogg and his ilk.
Redirect NoticeHas action actually ever been taken to stop a cockrel from crowing?
I'll tell you what pisses me off. When someone moves into a village and moans about the church bells that have been rung for hundreds of years. And their court action silences the bells. Or those who move into the countryside and next to a farm. They take court action about cocks crowing and animals doing what comes naturally. They don't have a bedroom they can go to in privacy. Yet their money talks in court.
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Chicken breeder faces court over noisy cockerel
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiSkO_txobfAhUBXMAKHdlzB9MQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/row-over-noisy-roosters-wont-go-to-court-as-owners-fly-coop-31441027.html&psig=AOvVaw10vmFWG0pU5KIuPmmgAYDX&ust=1544025904726756
Noisy cockerel given crowing ban
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiSkO_txobfAhUBXMAKHdlzB9MQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://metro.co.uk/2017/09/06/man-played-loud-music-every-time-neighbours-cockerel-crowed-6907888/&psig=AOvVaw10vmFWG0pU5KIuPmmgAYDX&ust=1544025904726756
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiSkO_txobfAhUBXMAKHdlzB9MQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/couple-dispute-cockerel-noise-nuisance-notice-1845235&psig=AOvVaw10vmFWG0pU5KIuPmmgAYDX&ust=1544025904726756
Crowing rooster drives couple to court
How many would you like?
There wasn't much about brexit (just a bit at the end in audience questions) but I'd never heard of him and he talks a lot of sense.
A mate of mine’s dad used to be the builder for a famous Canadian singer and guitarist who moved next to a pub, got annoyed by the noise, so bought it and shut it down.
Not directly, but the circumstances described lead to the frustration that many people have. They voted leave, although that was not the answer to the question as to how to change things for the better. The very people that they should be wary of, offered Brexit as the answer. It isn’t. The answer he gives is probably right.. that the government invests in public health, education and care. Not what the hard core Brexiteers want... deregulation and lower taxes.
Not strange at all. They were expected to vote on something that they don't know the details of. Nothing unusual for the Tories. The difference this time is that many don't want it to go through whatever the details are and then others want to know the details to help them to decide. What surprised me was how close the vote was. 311 to 293.Government found in contempt! Strange days.
Not strange at all. They were expected to vote on something that they don't know the details of. Nothing unusual for the Tories. The difference this time is that many don't want it to go through whatever the details are and then others want to know the details to help them to decide. What surprised me was how close the vote was. 311 to 293.
There wasn't much about brexit (just a bit at the end in audience questions) but I'd never heard of him and he talks a lot of sense.
Grendel?
I have stated already on this thread my reasons for leaving the EU as I believe there will be an inevitable political and fiscal union and an inevitable drain on contributions to support an increasing number of poorer states. One thing I agree on Corbyn and Mcdonnell is that we should not as a nation have an elected government unable to carry out its economic strategy without permission from a parliament in Brussels which half of the EU populous do not even care about (according to the "very positive" 2018 survey)
However, unlike you I have said it was folly to ignore the fact that the 48% who voted to stay and therefore all people need to find a middle ground of compromise. Any normal private business leader would have looked at the alternatives and found a way out. The glaringly obvious move would have been to agree to a Norway style arrangements. It ticks a lot of boxes for leavers and crucially is not a complete separation for remainers - so it is a compromise deal that honours the spirit of the vote but delivers a sensible intent;
We have a reduced financial contribution
We have some ability to trade elsewhere
We have sovereign identity and the laws from the EU are far more restricted in number
Unfortunately you and your ilk believe a second referendum will somehow reverse the decision and eliminate the opposition So if 48% are against the EU next tine around they need to like it or lump it.
The notion "afraid of democracy" - which you have used will bring further division and alienation.
They will of course not lump it. There will be incredible outrage at the EU from them and they will feel even more alienated by the political classes at Westminster. Many have never voted before and will feel anger and resentment. It will not lead to a positive outcome and there would immediately be calls to reverse the decision again. Given the polls are not that dissimilar to last time until the referendum was called it is not beyond possibility that Leave will win again. Then what? It would be utter carnage and we would almost certainly crash out.
I have been convinced for some time that May and her cronies are stage managing a defeat so we can return to the Brussels empire. It is stupid and it will end badly. Parliament will be in contempt with the electorate and vast areas of the country will believe that their voice counts for absolutely nothing. A dangerous place to be.
There are some suggestions that polar opposites in the Tory party are pushing for the Norway solution. For the sake of the country they need to succeed and the country needs to rally to the cause.
Stop acting like a twat. Or does it make you feel big insulting people?Seeing as it is the first time in parliamentary history that a government has been found in contempt of parliament then, yes, 'strange days' is an appropriate response.
Next time your genius mind is going to predict something absolutely unique in parliamentary history it might be a good thing to predict it before it actually happens and then you'll get the intellectual kudos that your galaxy brain obviously deserves.
So is Grieve now your hero?..and the Grieve amendment has passed. Astute no doubt predicted that one as well.
I have stated already on this thread my reasons for leaving the EU as I believe there will be an inevitable political and fiscal union and an inevitable drain on contributions to support an increasing number of poorer states. One thing I agree on Corbyn and Mcdonnell is that we should not as a nation have an elected government unable to carry out its economic strategy without permission from a parliament in Brussels which half of the EU populous do not even care about (according to the "very positive" 2018 survey)
However, unlike you I have said it was folly to ignore the fact that the 48% who voted to stay and therefore all people need to find a middle ground of compromise. Any normal private business leader would have looked at the alternatives and found a way out. The glaringly obvious move would have been to agree to a Norway style arrangements. It ticks a lot of boxes for leavers and crucially is not a complete separation for remainers - so it is a compromise deal that honours the spirit of the vote but delivers a sensible intent;
We have a reduced financial contribution
We have some ability to trade elsewhere
We have sovereign identity and the laws from the EU are far more restricted in number
Unfortunately you and your ilk believe a second referendum will somehow reverse the decision and eliminate the opposition So if 48% are against the EU next tine around they need to like it or lump it.
The notion "afraid of democracy" - which you have used will bring further division and alienation.
They will of course not lump it. There will be incredible outrage at the EU from them and they will feel even more alienated by the political classes at Westminster. Many have never voted before and will feel anger and resentment. It will not lead to a positive outcome and there would immediately be calls to reverse the decision again. Given the polls are not that dissimilar to last time until the referendum was called it is not beyond possibility that Leave will win again. Then what? It would be utter carnage and we would almost certainly crash out.
I have been convinced for some time that May and her cronies are stage managing a defeat so we can return to the Brussels empire. It is stupid and it will end badly. Parliament will be in contempt with the electorate and vast areas of the country will believe that their voice counts for absolutely nothing. A dangerous place to be.
There are some suggestions that polar opposites in the Tory party are pushing for the Norway solution. For the sake of the country they need to succeed and the country needs to rally to the cause.
Yes, I can see that, but the attitude of some was "you lost, get over it". The hard brexiteers saw this "right wing coup" as an opportunity to push through deregulation of worker's rights and enviromental rules. A free for all. Having tried to ignore the remainers, and at the same time some louder figures pushing for a hard Brexit, there should be no surprise at the pushback from people who see that the way Brexit that is evolving won't have economic benefits for most people and is not the answer to the wealth and opportunity gap. May and co don't want the Norway model as they say it doesn't stop FOM. Stopping FOM is seen as a major reason for Brexit by many.
I see the problem of a second referendum landing a similar result to the first and therefore confirming the stalemate. The Norway model would have been more acceptable to most people, but it does look as if the relatively narrow victory was taken literally as 'the will of the people' by some, and expectations were high that we would just leave having used our strong hand to get a cake and eat it deal. The victors have screwed it up, but they will blame May.
So now it's back to the reality of a totally split country with the threat of another referendum looming. This has proved 1. that we are not good at referenda, and 2. the EU of 27 sovereign nations is actually capable of working together to acheive an aim. Neither of which was considered by the people who wanted a referendum.
Yes, it was more on the general rise of populism. Don't know if you caught it but maybe the 3rd audience question at the end asked 'why did the british vote for brexit?', to which he answered 'because they are morons!', and then pointed out all the good points of EU membership, alongside our keeping the pound, vetos etc putting us in the best position in europe.
Stop acting like a twat. Or does it make you feel big insulting people?
The vote was close. And some Tories would have voted for it. This means that others that are not Tories would have passed in the chance of hitting the Tories. But no. As usual you want to score points. I left school a lot of years ago. I have better things to do with my time than join in with your childish behaviour.
So is Grieve now your hero?
I thought he was supposed to be one of the baddies in all this.
The Norway option would certainly be a compromise between the two but the May positioned herself and has continued to do so would make anyone think that Leave won with a landslide. It didn’t and therefore a compromise between the two needs to be made, otherwise the country is going to be divided and weakened in the long term future.
And the government should actually listen to these communities who feel left behind and actually invest and turn their attention away from London and the south east
Yes, it was more on the general rise of populism. Don't know if you caught it but maybe the 3rd audience question at the end asked 'why did the british vote for brexit?', to which he answered 'because they are morons!', and then pointed out all the good points of EU membership, alongside our keeping the pound, vetos etc putting us in the best position in europe.
I have stated already on this thread my reasons for leaving the EU as I believe there will be an inevitable political and fiscal union and an inevitable drain on contributions to support an increasing number of poorer states. One thing I agree on Corbyn and Mcdonnell is that we should not as a nation have an elected government unable to carry out its economic strategy without permission from a parliament in Brussels which half of the EU populous do not even care about (according to the "very positive" 2018 survey)
However, unlike you I have said it was folly to ignore the fact that the 48% who voted to stay and therefore all people need to find a middle ground of compromise. Any normal private business leader would have looked at the alternatives and found a way out. The glaringly obvious move would have been to agree to a Norway style arrangements. It ticks a lot of boxes for leavers and crucially is not a complete separation for remainers - so it is a compromise deal that honours the spirit of the vote but delivers a sensible intent;
We have a reduced financial contribution
We have some ability to trade elsewhere
We have sovereign identity and the laws from the EU are far more restricted in number
Unfortunately you and your ilk believe a second referendum will somehow reverse the decision and eliminate the opposition So if 48% are against the EU next tine around they need to like it or lump it.
The notion "afraid of democracy" - which you have used will bring further division and alienation.
They will of course not lump it. There will be incredible outrage at the EU from them and they will feel even more alienated by the political classes at Westminster. Many have never voted before and will feel anger and resentment. It will not lead to a positive outcome and there would immediately be calls to reverse the decision again. Given the polls are not that dissimilar to last time until the referendum was called it is not beyond possibility that Leave will win again. Then what? It would be utter carnage and we would almost certainly crash out.
I have been convinced for some time that May and her cronies are stage managing a defeat so we can return to the Brussels empire. It is stupid and it will end badly. Parliament will be in contempt with the electorate and vast areas of the country will believe that their voice counts for absolutely nothing. A dangerous place to be.
There are some suggestions that polar opposites in the Tory party are pushing for the Norway solution. For the sake of the country they need to succeed and the country needs to rally to the cause.
Clown?You are full of shit. You think you know everything, the font of all wisdom in all matters. You're a bullshitter and I can see through your nonsense. I remember when I first started on this site and all you ever went on about was winning every single bet you put on. 'Yeah, got £300 off that, obvious that was gonna happen'. Clown.
I know you are. But I even try to treat idiots the same. After all it isn't your fault.Thick as pig shit mate.
The Norway option would certainly be a compromise between the two but the May positioned herself and has continued to do so would make anyone think that Leave won with a landslide. It didn’t and therefore a compromise between the two needs to be made, otherwise the country is going to be divided and weakened in the long term future.
And the government should actually listen to these communities who feel left behind and actually invest and turn their attention away from London and the south east
Clown?
If you remember so much you will also remember I also out my winning betting slips up on here.
Oh good. Another keyboard warrior. Something we miss on here
Ps Corbyn just talks total nonsense on the subject. He said it’s not credible for government to propose a deal ‘to reduce our powers to decide our relationships in future’. I presume he means trading relationships. Labours proposal (other than force general election - which at present is disgraceful politicising, the subject is far too important to try to turn it into a power grab) has always suggested a long term customs union, which would mean free/wider trade agreements with other countries are basically ruled out.
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