I agree that our economy is based on ever more people. At sometime something has to change.
There's no guarantee of any of this. As we suck in more people, we need better infrastructure to cope. This leads to more and more people coming in, so we need an improved infrastructure, which results with more and more people coming in. It goes on and on. Before you remind me, many are from outside the EU. We all know that.
I'm very ,very happy to see the population of this country level off, but I don't think that is ever possible the way the country has been run for many, many years.
Just the other week? I am talking about last year or before.
So come out with it. What have I ever made up? You recently tried to say that when on about how many people left Ireland in the 60's that then become the 50's. Then you tried to deny how many had left Romania. Then you tried to say that Ireland's population stayed the same/went up because of how many babies they have and that Romanians don't have many kids. Then I showed you that the Romanians have the most kids in the EU. You then accused me of scapegoating immigrants. Your normal line these days when you are shown to be wrong. The other one you come out with is saying i have put words in your mouth when you get caught out.
Yeah but no but. You won't change the course of Brexit by trying to change the truth in here.
So in other words only worry about our kids/grandkids futures when the time comes?
There's no guarantee of any of this. As we suck in more people, we need better infrastructure to cope. This leads to more and more people coming in, so we need an improved infrastructure, which results with more and more people coming in. It goes on and on. Before you remind me, many are from outside the EU. We all know that.
I'm very ,very happy to see the population of this country level off, but I don't think that is ever possible the way the country has been run for many, many years.
How about one point.Yeah, whatever you say. Most of what you’ve commented on there is made up again, I don’t think I’ve ever said that Romanians don’t have many kids.
You just make it up as you go along and try and scupper any meaningful debate that could be had. You were at it the other week with a whopper but I genuinely can’t be bothered to go back and check.
You always bring everything back to your dislike of EU migrants and blaming them for people being homeless, the trains, roads etc. We get it, you don’t like migrants coming into the country.
Yet you have ignored when I have said this other than when you tried to defend Labour.It’s been a complete disregard of infrastructure, investment in education etc. The country has been badly run and that doesn’t look like changing any time soon.
So in other words your plan is to carry on as now and hope for the best.No. Accept things as they are at the moment. If we can come with a better idea of controlling population growth without banning people from having children, or killing people, then bring it on. It won’t change in our life times. Maybe one day we, our grand children, will just have robots to produce what we need and care for us.
How about one point.
Show where I dislike EU migrants.
You said I was scapegoating migrants when I said what CVD said tonight. But you said nothing to him. Why not?
So in other words your plan is to carry on as now and hope for the best.
Yet you have a go at our governments for doing the same.
This is how you twist things. I haven't blamed anyone but past governments. I have said though that the more people who move here the worse it will get until the government finally does something about the situation. That isn't just homes. That is also the full infrastructure.I haven’t seen him continually blame migrants for people being homeless, family members not receiving hospital treatment [i am sorry to mention this but I found it strange you’d even try and link that to EU FoM] and people not being able to get on the housing ladder, amongst a host of other problems.
Yet you’ve managed to link all of them to FoM. It’d be fair enough if you just came out and said you’re against it rather than just claiming to ‘speak the truth’.
Look at the recent UN report,it’s time many started looking closer to home and blaming the real culprits for the rising levels of inequality and poverty.
It’s no different to those at the top blaming people on benefits rather than looking at people avoiding paying millions in tax.
Sorry Grendel. I don’t think Norway wants us in their EFTA club:
"I think you would mess it all up for us, the way you have messed it all up for yourselves."
Heidi Nordby Lunde, president of Norway's European Movement, is sceptical about calls for the UK to strike a Norway-style deal with the EU.
They know that a few years down the line they'll be blamed for whatever our current government is fucking up. Really not worth the hassle.
Sorry Grendel. I don’t think Norway wants us in their EFTA club:
"I think you would mess it all up for us, the way you have messed it all up for yourselves."
Heidi Nordby Lunde, president of Norway's European Movement, is sceptical about calls for the UK to strike a Norway-style deal with the EU.
I don't think waiting around will help. We're going to create one huge conurbation from London to Manchester, Sheffield to Newcastle and then the government of the day will declare that employment has never been better and the Jubilee Line extension to Salford Quays will create another 25,000 jobs over the next 10 years. At the rate this country's population continues unabated , this scenario isn't many decades away.No. Accept things as they are at the moment. If we can come with a better idea of controlling population growth without banning people from having children, or killing people, then bring it on. It won’t change in our life times. Maybe one day we, our grand children, will just have robots to produce what we need and care for us.
I don't think waiting around will help. We're going to create one huge conurbation from London to Manchester, Sheffield to Newcastle and then the government of the day will declare that employment has never been better and the Jubilee Line extension to Salford Quays will create another 25,000 jobs over the next 10 years. At the rate this country's population continues unabated , this scenario isn't many decades away.
I love this bullshit 3%, this 3% is calculated against the total land mass of the UK. So let's be a bit more genuine, millions of hectares are privately owned in the UK, can't be built on, many millions of hectares are MOD owned, likewise millions owned by the crown, national trust, various religious twats, forestry commission and many millions designated national parks and protected world heritage sites, Massive parts of the UK are mountainous ranges, eroding coastlines, tarns, lochs, lakes, tidal estuaries, flood plains marsh and moorland etc. When you deduct these, it looks it tad different.We’ve built on sonething 3% of land in the UK. There’s a reason it looks green from the air. We could easily fit more people in if that’s the decision we make. And we could fund their services and more with their tax money as well.
Lack of housing, NHS underfunding, cutting medical training, etc are political choices made by respective governments. Same as allowing Eastern European recent entrants to the EU to move here in the 2000s. We haven’t voted Leave from the UK Parliament.
The pace of change and resulting difficulties with integration is a worry. As is the competition in low wage areas of the job market IMO. But there’s a good argument that immigration is needed and it may as well be from somewhere like the EU with transferable qualifications and standardised markets.
We’ve built on sonething 3% of land in the UK. There’s a reason it looks green from the air. We could easily fit more people in if that’s the decision we make. And we could fund their services and more with their tax money as well.
Lack of housing, NHS underfunding, cutting medical training, etc are political choices made by respective governments. Same as allowing Eastern European recent entrants to the EU to move here in the 2000s. We haven’t voted Leave from the UK Parliament.
The pace of change and resulting difficulties with integration is a worry. As is the competition in low wage areas of the job market IMO. But there’s a good argument that immigration is needed and it may as well be from somewhere like the EU with transferable qualifications and standardised markets.
This is how you twist things. I haven't blamed anyone but past governments. I have said though that the more people who move here the worse it will get until the government finally does something about the situation. That isn't just homes. That is also the full infrastructure.
Do you disagree that this is what I have said?
Do you disagree that it is true?
Exactly.
Rudd has now said that the EEA could be a viable alternative, which as I’ve said before is where I can see the country ending up in the long-term.
Corbyn’s claims about securing a better deal if he got into power sound like wishful thinking to me, especially as the EU has said that it would not be willing to renegotiate.
I love this bullshit 3%, this 3% is calculated against the total land mass of the UK. So let's be a bit more genuine, millions of hectares are privately owned in the UK, can't be built on, many millions of hectares are MOD owned, likewise millions owned by the crown, national trust, various religious twats, forestry commission and many millions designated national parks and protected world heritage sites, Massive parts of the UK are mountainous ranges, eroding coastlines, tarns, lochs, lakes, tidal estuaries, flood plains marsh and moorland etc. When you deduct these, it looks it tad different.
A bit out with your numbers but I agree with just about everything else.We’ve built on sonething 3% of land in the UK. There’s a reason it looks green from the air. We could easily fit more people in if that’s the decision we make. And we could fund their services and more with their tax money as well.
Lack of housing, NHS underfunding, cutting medical training, etc are political choices made by respective governments. Same as allowing Eastern European recent entrants to the EU to move here in the 2000s. We haven’t voted Leave from the UK Parliament.
The pace of change and resulting difficulties with integration is a worry. As is the competition in low wage areas of the job market IMO. But there’s a good argument that immigration is needed and it may as well be from somewhere like the EU with transferable qualifications and standardised markets.
Sorry Grendel. I don’t think Norway wants us in their EFTA club:
"I think you would mess it all up for us, the way you have messed it all up for yourselves."
Heidi Nordby Lunde, president of Norway's European Movement, is sceptical about calls for the UK to strike a Norway-style deal with the EU.
Rudd has now said that the EEA could be a viable alternative
Your delight at having found something which you thought could be a source of humiliation for the UK is palpable.
The latest plan is to build on farmland. It is the best way forward where enough homes can be built in one go. But how much farmland can we afford to build on? The more we have live here the more food we need to grow.
tbf, Brighton has gone stupidly, daftly expensive!I’ve rented since I was 17 and am now 33 and would have no chance of owning a home here. My parents don’t have the money to help me with a deposit, so owning a property hasn’t been an option. I’m moving over to Italy after Christmas but the lack of a fall back option does worry me.
Cameron 2 - Built his reputation on saving the EU, but a catestrophic blunder has cost him and his team.I can't wait until we can do a player ratings thread.
Your delight at having found something which you thought could be a source of humiliation for the UK is palpable.
Cameron 2 - Built his reputation on saving the EU, but a catestrophic blunder has cost him and his team.
Johnson 5 - Marauds down the right and offers occasional forays, but his positional sense is lacking and it's not clear where he's supposed to be.
Rees Mogg 5 - Seems tough tackling, to snuff out danger, but he's got little vision in how to move forward.
Davis - 3 Woefully unfit, constantly left wanting when needed, went missing entirely when the chips were down.
McDonnell 6 - A surprisingly steady effort on the left.
Farage 8 - Made the right wing position his own, played a blinder. Accusations he's more show than go and is a one-trick pony but, for this period, he's done what he needed to do.
May 4 - Claims to be a steadying influence but lacks vision, and struggles to link right and left together. in danger of losing her place.
Gove 3 - Supposedly the creative spark to burst Brexit to life, he's ended up passing to the opposition all too often. Would you want him on your team?
Corbyn 3 - The veteran left winger has seemed to have the skills but he goes missing in the big referenda, and he takes the opportunity to pass to another policy all too often.
Barnier 5 - Brings some foreign glamour to the show, but doesn't foster a team spirit.
Cable 2 - Missed chance after chance to impose himself and strike for home. Totally anonymous.
tbf, Brighton has gone stupidly, daftly expensive!
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