In 2015, EEA countries and Switzerland claimed against the NHS for over £674 million
I think that’s really well put. Where id differ is what the second refurrendum opportunity is. It’s confirming their commitment to their stated will to leave the Eu knowing what that means practically or knowing what that means practically deciding on balance not to leave the Eu. It’s a completely differently question with more information.The first aspect is nonsense because my point isn’t that the 1975 is binding — nothing can bind parliament, even the EU. The irony of you saying there was no ‘what Europe are you voting for’ is that right now, the public hasn’t decided ‘what Brexit are you voting for’. As was the concept of Europe vague in 1975, the concept of Brexit is even vaguer in 2018.
If you want a political science debate, so be it. If you want to be technical, referendums aren’t legally binding to the government. They are advisory, and the government has gone away, attempted to carry out the referendum result and is in a position where it cannot do so. The government physically cannot pass a Brexit deal at this moment. The Government will likely face an opposition motion of no confidence as well. Tell me, what is the alternative to another GE and/or referendum? The government has lost the confidence of parliament. These aren’t the words of a lefty ‘remoaner’, they are the words of Rees-Mogg. If Parliament votes down the agreement on 21st January, the government will have to call an election and/or referendum. So no, referendums aren’t necessarily generational, especially when the country is in a state of crisis.
What am I afraid of? A no-deal Brexit which, if projections are accurate, could lead to a loss of 5-9% of GDP, which is catastrophic. So a second referendum is an opportunity for the public to either reaffirm its commitment to Brexit OR to change its mind. This is an infinitely a better solution than to sleep walk into Brexit.
I expect a temporary dip in GDP both here and in the EU until the chaos dies down and deals are sorted out for the mutual benefit of all importers and exporters involved. I just hope our producers who are not reliant on either importing components or ingredients from the EU or exporting to it are gearing up to pick up the slack.No, it's not a 'big if'. The Government has taken the 'best case' and 'worse case' scenarios, including May's own plan, and has still concluded that Brexit will be bad for the economy. This isn't a guess of what will happen, it's a calculation, know the difference.
Brexit will make UK worse off, government warns
Reality Check: What is an economic forecast?
Here's a parliamentary paper on Brexit, from Jan 2018:
https://www.parliament.uk/documents...EU-Exit-Analysis-Cross-Whitehall-Briefing.pdf
I think that’s really well put. Where id differ is what the second refurrendum opportunity is. It’s confirming their commitment to their stated will to leave the Eu knowing what that means practically or knowing what that means practically deciding on balance not to leave the Eu. It’s a completely differently question with more information.
I don’t even think leaving with no deal is possible. It would tie the country up in legalease for the foreseeable future and instead of one agreement that is complex and difficult we’d need to make hundreds.
I expect a temporary dip in GDP both here and in the EU until the chaos dies down and deals are sorted out for the mutual benefit of all importers and exporters involved. I just hope our producers who are not reliant on either importing components or ingredients from the EU or exporting to it are gearing up to pick up the slack.
You should know, that occasionally experts' predictions don't pan out, so therefore we should ignore those who have the expertise and tools to make predictions, in favour of the ranty bloke down the pub.No, it's not a 'big if'. The Government has taken the 'best case' and 'worse case' scenarios, including May's own plan, and has still concluded that Brexit will be bad for the economy. This isn't a guess of what will happen, it's a calculation, know the difference.
Brexit will make UK worse off, government warns
Reality Check: What is an economic forecast?
Here's a parliamentary paper on Brexit, from Jan 2018:
https://www.parliament.uk/documents...EU-Exit-Analysis-Cross-Whitehall-Briefing.pdf
UK Exports to 2016 ; Germany £29.7 billion, Holland £17.5 billion, France £17.5 billion, Belgium £ 10.8 billion, Italy £8.9 billion
UK Imports from 2016; Germany £ 59 billion, Holland £ 31.4 billion, France £22.5 billion, Belgium £ 21.2 billion, Italy £15.6 billion
I'm really thinking that some rather big industrialists and money men in Europe are going to demand some trade deals pronto ??
UK Exports to 2016 ; Germany £29.7 billion, Holland £17.5 billion, France £17.5 billion, Belgium £ 10.8 billion, Italy £8.9 billion
UK Imports from 2016; Germany £ 59 billion, Holland £ 31.4 billion, France £22.5 billion, Belgium £ 21.2 billion, Italy £15.6 billion
I'm really thinking that some rather big industrialists and money men in Europe are going to demand some trade deals pronto ??
UK Exports to 2016 ; Germany £29.7 billion, Holland £17.5 billion, France £17.5 billion, Belgium £ 10.8 billion, Italy £8.9 billion
UK Imports from 2016; Germany £ 59 billion, Holland £ 31.4 billion, France £22.5 billion, Belgium £ 21.2 billion, Italy £15.6 billion
I'm really thinking that some rather big industrialists and money men in Europe are going to demand some trade deals pronto ??
UK Exports to 2016 ; Germany £29.7 billion, Holland £17.5 billion, France £17.5 billion, Belgium £ 10.8 billion, Italy £8.9 billion
UK Imports from 2016; Germany £ 59 billion, Holland £ 31.4 billion, France £22.5 billion, Belgium £ 21.2 billion, Italy £15.6 billion
I'm really thinking that some rather big industrialists and money men in Europe are going to demand some trade deals pronto ??
The vast majority of who work and live in the U.K. paying taxes. How many millions did they pay in in the same period? Or should that be billions? So when you say we don’t claim it back I’m not sure how you’re reaching that conclusion as EU citizens tax contributions are paying for it in advance.
And right on cue, here's the ranty man from the pub, completely ignoring those who've been trained and have years of experience to make such predicitions.the fact of the matter is no one knows what will happen if we have no deal. predictions are just that, predictions. the scaremongering from remain is embarrassing. the British public voted leave and that should be what happens. if it doesn’t happen the country will become weak in the eyes of Europe and further afield
the fact of the matter is no one knows what will happen if we have no deal. predictions are just that, predictions. the scaremongering from remain is embarrassing. the British public voted leave and that should be what happens. if it doesn’t happen the country will become weak in the eyes of Europe and further afield
And right on cue,
And right on cue, here's the ranty man from the pub, completely ignoring those who've been trained and have years of experience to make such predicitions.
Sure, they may not pan out.
But to ignore the experts is downright idiotic.
How would a second referendum, ‘people’s vote’ be a betrayal of democracy?
A lot of people don’t understand the situation we’re in as a country. May’s Brexit deal is going to get smashed in Parliament, as you’d think most of the 117 Tory MPs who had ‘no confidence’ in May will vote against it. If this happens, the government is deadlocked because it cannot pass its Brexit deal. The government will have to seek a new mandate from the people, with another general election or a second referendum. Our MPs are elected to vote with their consciences on behalf of their constituents, that’s representative democracy.
This ‘betrayal’ you talk of sounds like you’re spitting your dummy out because the Brexit wasn’t as utopian as the likes of Farage, Boris, Gove and Rees-Mogg made out to the public. Liam Fox’s ‘EU trade deal will “easiest” to negotiate in history’ turned out to be laughable — and goes to show how Leavers underestimated the Brexit process.
the fact of the matter is no one knows what will happen if we have no deal. predictions are just that, predictions. the scaremongering from remain is embarrassing. the British public voted leave and that should be what happens. if it doesn’t happen the country will become weak in the eyes of Europe and further afield
10,000 lorries pass through Dover every day.
Over 90% of them are from the EU. They take 2 minutes average to process.
Non EU trucks take 20 minutes average to process.
The UK road haulers association estimate that just an additional 2 minutes per EU truck will lead to 17 mile tail back, that's in the unlikely event the extra checks and administration can be done in 2 minutes.
If we don't do a deal that process will start on 30th March next year.
You think that's scaremongering?
Want to know what really does look weak?
A Government that has lost the confidence of Parliament and cannot pass its Brexit deal.
Why do Brexiteers frame the referendum as the end of the matter? It was just the start of things.
I did an essay in 2015 at uni, stating why Britain should stay in the EU. It was pretty obvious that a Brexit would open up a can of worms before the result. Scottish, Welsh (not so much since they voted Leave) and N Irish independence is now back on the table. But, more on track, the likelihood of a referendum ratifying the deal was pretty high — that was assuming a government could actually get a deal through Parliament!
True enough but big game of poker to lose atUK Exports to 2016 ; Germany £29.7 billion, Holland £17.5 billion, France £17.5 billion, Belgium £ 10.8 billion, Italy £8.9 billion
UK Imports from 2016; Germany £ 59 billion, Holland £ 31.4 billion, France £22.5 billion, Belgium £ 21.2 billion, Italy £15.6 billion
I'm really thinking that some rather big industrialists and money men in Europe are going to demand some trade deals pronto ??
Maybe the answer is to have fewer imports and fewer lorries. Produce our own car parts, reduce carbon emissions, raise employment. Stupid idea I know.
And why would any lorries be traveling through Dover after a No Deal Brexit anyway? No one in the EU will be willing to sell us anything or buy anything from us after we leave, surely? Or maybe they’ll be happy to sell to the giant locusts that will by then be ruling over us
I do understand his point. I feel that the problem is largely because of who front's the 'peoples vote' and/or second referendum. You have people like Blair, Mandelson, Campbell who are toxic at best in British Politics post Iraq, as well as Lib Dems that were part of the coalition. Then you have flip-floppers like Umanna, Soubry and 'celebrity voters' all endorsing this idea. It's looks shit with these people at the front, who come across to the public as condescending, patronising and in the original 3's case - downright bullshitters. They have zero credibility. Even someone like Caroline Lucas who I respect as a politician has her image 'damaged' by association with these people.
People in the North of England that may have voted to leave (and this is Labour's big problem to deal with) because their town's are dying post-industry and just see all investment staying in the south of England. They see London centric people at the front of this movement and feel abandoned and neglected, just like they were before the referendum. And yes I do acknowledge that these area's will probably be worse off post-Brexit, so goodness knows how you solve that problem.
lol soon as you said university I just had to laugh. the one places where most get brainwashed by lecturers. the uk is a strong economy and will look to the outside if we cave in. don’t they teach you anything at uni except for leftie bullshit
lol soon as you said university I just had to laugh. the one places where most get brainwashed by lecturers. the uk is a strong economy and will look to the outside if we cave in. don’t they teach you anything at uni except for leftie bullshit
Gonna have toIt's in everyone's interest to get a free trade deal, but that's not on a table until Brexit is finalised.
But, here's a question for you:
Would you accept a free trade deal with the EU where you'd have to adhere to their rules and regulations, but we have no influence over what those rules and regulations are?
Remember the millennium when they said planes would fall out of the sky because of the clock changes etc.... The world was gonna end Just like when we voted out
I’d take our chance with those so called “Experts” predictions the gravy train may be ending for a few of them.....Anyone seen the Kinnocks?????
Good old lefties Johnson and Rees Mogg.Everyone who went to university is a leftie! Jesus!
Is that like everyone who voted Brexit is a racist?!
Of course you will end this now. Because it is clearly an anti UK rant and stick up for the EU whatever.Two in 2012. One was of which was riderless. Maybe he was loving it so much he thought it’s never going to get better than this so I’ll end it now.
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Negotiate with the EU? Where have you been the last couple of years?You can't put tariffs on one WTO member without putting them on all of them, you are governed by your schedules (One for goods one for services).
So if we do it to the EU we do it to everyone. Seen as we actually need to import stuff it wouldn't be wise to introduce punitive tariffs which could affect us importing goods we need.
The article you've linked confirms what I'm saying as it states that the EU won't be able to treat us differently to other WTO members which is correct.
That's why the first thing we'll do if we leave with no deal is try and negotiate a free trade deal with the EU.
Negotiate with the EU? Where have you been the last couple of years?
You are correct....although you meant it as a joke.You should know, that occasionally experts' predictions don't pan out, so therefore we should ignore those who have the expertise and tools to make predictions, in favour of the ranty bloke down the pub.
It's the new way, sadly.
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