Just been announced that the 30k is still under review. And won't be used for skilled workers.
Apart from with the 30k threshold, workers in those professions won’t be granted visas as they won’t earn enough.
So, where are they all going to come from?
So a transition period of what you will need to come to the UK after Brexit means I am stating there will be a deal with the EU?You’ve dodged the point about the deal I see, if you believe that there is to be a transition period, then it means there will be a withdrawal agreement.
You just debase anything and resort to your childish behaviour. Take a look at the news, the release of the whitepaper is detailed there
On TV right this second. On BBC news.Got a link to that?
On TV right this second. On BBC news.
Yes they should get paid more. Only an idiot would say differently.If that’s the case then that is good news, I was taking it from here
Migrants to be selected by talent, not origin
I’d be all for the 30K limit if those professions would get a pay boost, but I can’t see that.
On TV right this second. On BBC news.
No cap on skilled workers but will try to keep the numbers below 100k a year. To be implemented in 2021.
Still see it as a shitfest that is going to become another shitfest.good debate about this on 5live earlier.
26% of junior doctors wouldn't be eligible to work here under this scheme.
Were also talking about skilled jobs such as architects and engineers where qualified people come from Europe with poor English and work in low skilled jobs for a year or two to brush up on their English before moving into their chosen profession so there's a lot to consider.
Still see it as a shitfest that is going to become another shitfest.
The problem with what you have stated is if they have to have a job to come to. They would need a skilled job first if this is the case.
I hope they have people looking into this that know what they are talking about for once.
Which is what I meant it becoming a bigger shitfest. It seems that the skilled workers won't include carers. I could be wrong but don't think I am.one fella also saying that he owns care homes, 90% of his workforce are from the EU and wages have risen 30% in the last 5 years, (which seems a bit high to be honest), but he was saying he still isn't able to recruit many UK born workers.
With the aging population the care industry is going to need to up it's recruitment in the next few years and with a lot of care been paid for out of the public purse increases in wages increases public spend so it feeds back in to the the aging population conundrum.
Which is what I meant it becoming a bigger shitfest. It seems that the skilled workers won't include carers. I could be wrong but don't think I am.
Too many big decisions being made by too many people who don't have a clue about what they are talking about. And nobody high up enough knows what is going on and has the balls to do something about it. They just prefer petty arguing.
That’s the point it’s skills based and people don’t think care workers have any and there’s no way the salaries will be £30k so the elephant in the room is that they will have to come form the uk populationImmigration from the EU won't stop. Immigration from outside the EU won't stop. The difference will be that we have a say on who comes here. We can choose which skills we need. It won't be dependent on the passport held.
They can but it’s more a state of mind and ignorance of the issues and why the economy set up as it is only functions with non skilled workers supporting us and this perception that they are only a drain on society is nonsense. As is ‘that there aren’t problems with significant numbers of extra people and families’ in our country and they need health services and schools. This is a real issue that gets politicised and should not be political. Who is going to look after our old people and who is going to pick our food?Won't they just add a"special exceptions" clause
good debate about this on 5live earlier.
26% of junior doctors wouldn't be eligible to work here under this scheme.
Were also talking about skilled jobs such as architects and engineers where qualified people come from Europe with poor English and work in low skilled jobs for a year or two to brush up on their English before moving into their chosen profession so there's a lot to consider.
Which is what I meant it becoming a bigger shitfest. It seems that the skilled workers won't include carers. I could be wrong but don't think I am.
Too many big decisions being made by too many people who don't have a clue about what they are talking about. And nobody high up enough knows what is going on and has the balls to do something about it. They just prefer petty arguing.
Yeah my girlfriend was here for a year to get her English up to the required standard. Under the current system she wouldn’t have been let into the country, nothing prepares you language wise for entering a foreign workplace like spending an extended period of time in the country.
One concern for me is that they open it up to countries where the wages are lower, pushing down wages across sectors. This has been a key complaint of Leavers, we are going to be looking to bring in people from countries where pay is even lower
No real political will to close the loophole
The Tories have said they have got a target of 100k or less for nett immigration. Something big will have to give as the total from outside the EU is bigger. Either that or they hope a lot will leave the UK.Fully agree with this and carers will be counted as unskilled, surely. It’s all been done for political reasons, IMO
Remember the link I posted a day or two ago? Macron got the EU to tentatively agree to being able to pay less to workers coming from countries that have a lower rate of pay.Not only that, but in Astute‘s link we are now going to close a loophole whereby agency staff can work for less money than permanent staff. Things like that wind up people in low paid jobs ( rightly so ). That is not the fault of EU citizens or the EU. We could have and should closed such loopholes ages ago.
Remember the link I posted a day or two ago? Macron got the EU to tentatively agree to being able to pay less to workers coming from countries that have a lower rate of pay.
I know the article you have got that from and tbe conclusion was it’s untested and not defined so you’ve drawn a conclusion from the opinion piece - there is no convention as the act was only law two parliaments ago.
Also as I’ve told you already every Tory will support May and the DUP have confirmed the same
The Tories have said they have got a target of 100k or less for nett immigration. Something big will have to give as the total from outside the EU is bigger. Either that or they hope a lot will leave the UK.
It all seems to be figures they won't be able to keep to. And to me it is just to keep the leavers happy. Well I have news for you May. Nobody is happy. You can't keep fudging the subject and hoping for the best. We are running out of time. And feeling is so high that I can't see most just giving in.
I'm sure if some of these loopholes were taken seriously and addressed (or comfort provided) in 2016 we wouldn't be in this mess ! I heard a German MEP on the radio the other day who was desperate for the UK to remain and basically said the EU needed to shoulder a significant portion of the blame as they ignored concerns and yet now they are finally seeking to address some of these issues that were raised 2-3 years ago. He also said the French had it in for us !!!No. I know that that it is exactly the opposite to what is happening in the EU. They are trying to plug loopholes that allow people from the east to work in Germany and pay their stoppages in their own country which makes them cheaper than German staff. The idea is to stop people undercutting the minimum wage. No way is what you claim happening. Show us the quote.
Every Tory you say?
It's clear that a no deal Brexit is a red line issue for Tory MPs who support Remain. Boles and Soubry are senior MPs and seem to be mobilising other Tory MPs to vote against the Government in the event the Government loses its Parliamentary vote and a no deal Brexit seems likely. So no, it's not too far-fetched to suggest a handful of Tory MPs would vote against the Government. It's as if you forgot that the ERG is the only faction within the Tory Party.
I'll trust my own judgement, thanks.
Senior Tory suggests he would vote with Labour in no confidence motion to block no-deal Brexit – Politics live
These idiot MPs have never negotiated anything in their lives obviously (Soubry is an absolute waste of space - I'm sure everyone is fully aware her constituency voted leave). Maybe if more had just kept quiet, much like a majority of the individual EU countries have done (their solidarity has been impressive, I bet many a time they would've liked to have rebuked Barnier but have left him to it), we might have reached a satisfactory agreement by now. The constant threats of a second referendum, vote government down etc etc, hasn't helped one bit and has allowed the EU stay strong, knowing eventually our weak MPs would cave in.
Unfortunately, their behaviour and the governments incompetence (whilst having their hands tied behind their backs to some extent) has backed everyone into a corner to the point where we might all end up with a No Deal mess that everyone on all sides (barring a few brexit nutters) have been desperate to avoid.
I'm sure if some of these loopholes were taken seriously and addressed (or comfort provided) in 2016 we wouldn't be in this mess ! I heard a German MEP on the radio the other day who was desperate for the UK to remain and basically said the EU needed to shoulder a significant portion of the blame as they ignored concerns and yet now they are finally seeking to address some of these issues that were raised 2-3 years ago. He also said the French had it in for us !!!
Is a Norway-style deal even an option, they don't seem very keen on letting us in!In fairness, I can't see another outcome of Brexit than a Norway-style deal or a 'no deal' Brexit.
Whilst the Remain was overly negative, in my view, it was at least grounded in reality.
In fairness, I can't see another outcome of Brexit than a Norway-style deal or a 'no deal' Brexit. The former option relegates our status to that of a vassal state to the EU and the latter is a chaotic mess that no one voted for. The EU's price for access into the Single Market is adherence to most of its rules and regulations so it's hard to imagine any alternative deal to the one tabled by May or the option of no deal. Personally, the Leave campaign sold the public a host of fantasies that Government simply weren't able to deliver. Whilst the Remain was overly negative, in my view, it was at least grounded in reality.
I'm not Soubry's greatest fan, but it would be wildly irresponsible for MPs to A) vote for a deal they know to be against the national interest or B) to let the country leave the EU without a deal. At the very least, the decision should be deferred to the electorate, one way or the other.
Yes, but they are UK loopholes and we have had successive governments who have let things run. They probably thought that was ok as the economy was recovering and we had nearly full employment. If there had been massive unemployment the government may have acted differently, but the economy needed more workers, paqrticulary in places like Scotland with a relatively small and aging working population.
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