No, it’s just that I prefer you to stick to facts instead of making things up.
No. I use the truth. You hate the truth when it involves the EU.
And here is a bit on Maggie and EuropeHow specifically could this deal be improved? Seems like the only issue you have is with the backstop.
The price for access to the single market would mean following EU rules and regulations as well as paying into the EU. Nigel’s Farage was a fan of the Swiss and Norway models, yet, these countries still pay into the EU and adhere to their regulations. So, if you want free trade with Europe, Britain will have to cede some sovereignty to the EU. That’s the reality of the situation.
You don't give a fuck about people in the UK you traitorous wanker, you start to chat shit as always when an alternative view is aired.You don't actually give a fuck about CCFC either, you're a fraud who must look all over the web for a platform for your boring repetitive pro EU bollocks. Stop pretending Lord Haw Haw !!Where do you get this crap. The world is not perfect, but you are portraying a hell hole again. I have no idea where your village is, but you seem to lead a horrible life. Do you think Javid is a fifth columnist? Are you seriously blaming migrants for everything in the hell hole?
Was it?
When we joined the common market there was no EU. There were no laws made for us. Slowly our power has been taken away. And all so we can trade freely with what is now another 27 countries. And not only do they get power in the UK we also give them billions of pounds each year.
Having rules and regulations that took priority over our own rules and laws for starters.
She certainly didn't push for us to be ruled by what the EU has become. Nobody has pushed for it.
Stuck in the past?You’re stuck in the past past now.
The EU has said as much during the process of Brexit negotiations. It’s delusional to think Britain won’t have to adhere to any EU rules and regulations, not have to pay in to the EU at all yet still have access to the single market. Frankly, you’re in fantasy land if you actually think this is realistic.
A nice Financial Times article to sum it up:
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You don't give a fuck about people in the UK you traitorous wanker, you start to chat shit as always when an alternative view is aired.You don't actually give a fuck about CCFC either, you're a fraud who must look all over the web for a platform for your boring repetitive pro EU bollocks. Stop pretending Lord Haw Haw !!
Of course. You make out nobody could do better than May. I don't agree.That’s nice. Meanwhile, back in 2018, we’re dealing with Brexit and I’m asking you about Theresa May’s deal.
Stuck in the past?
No. You are coming out with pro EU crap. Why should we have to give up sovereignty so we can sell goods? Especially when we buy much more than we sell.
And now twisting of words. Who said access to the single market but not give anything in return?
I don't like anything about it. So it is a long list that I don't like. Just look back. Have said lots on the subject. Have said it countless times. Have had enough of saying the same thing over and over again. Like losing the small say we have but still paying for the privilege of being in the EU when we wouldn't be in. And not being allowed to leave until the EU says we can leave. That is what the backstop looks all about.
For sure, there will still be nominal negotiations, but for the reasons you state, nothing substantive will be agreed. We really are in the weaker position at the negotiating table, hence the deal put forward looks something akin to us remaining in all but name. The prospect of a ‘no deal’ Brexit is pretty bad, and the electorate certainly didn’t vote for that.
You just cannot take criticism. You are constantly portraying Britain, or maybe it’s your village, as a terrible place. Now you really are off the rails. What you call an alternative view is just insults and your frustrations. I have no idea why you are such an angry person. Something wrong somewhere.
Of course. You make out nobody could do better than May. I don't agree.
Out of pure coincidence, Evelyn Glennie, one of the worlds greatest percussionists, who happens to be stone deaf, was just about to go on the Jez Vine show when this broke today, so they asked her to lip read it, she said 100% "stupid woman" I'm no Jezza fan, but so fucking what if that's what he said, I'd have been happier if he had just called her a stupid c**t.Lip readers are saying it looks like stupid woman. I don't see anything wrong with stupid woman. As it is the truth.
You don't give a fuck about people in the UK you traitorous wanker, you start to chat shit as always when an alternative view is aired.You don't actually give a fuck about CCFC either, you're a fraud who must look all over the web for a platform for your boring repetitive pro EU bollocks. Stop pretending Lord Haw Haw !!
Agree that it’s the final stages and the only likely movement is something relating to the backstop. The ‘brexit in name only’ keeps getting repeated (mainly by those that are pushing for no deal) but I don’t see it that way. The withdrawal agreement appears to give us back control over freedom of movement (whether we decided to use that control remains to be seen !!!!), things like the fisheries and agriculture policies and Id imagine will at least significantly reduce payments to the EU. It also appears that Uk courts will have supremacy again over a large proportion of law.
If you asked the average ‘leaver’ on the street I’d imagine that the above tick enough of the main areas for them to be satisfied. Unfortunately most will just listen to the MPs noise on both sides of the argument.
Obviously who knows what will happen with any final trade agreement (if we ever get past the transition period !)
Ah. So she never took any shit from them before so now you find out a reason why she wouldn't have done better than May.Thatcher wouldn’t have negotiated a better deal because she wouldn’t have campaigned to Leave. She campaigned to join the EC in 1975. Stop trying to change the history books.
Margaret Thatcher would not have supported Brexit, says top aide
Ah. So she never took any shit from them before so now you find out a reason why she wouldn't have done better than May.
No she wouldn't be taking us out. And she wouldn't have given sovereignty away.
Yes. But she wouldn't have given her power over to a bunch of nobodies in the EU.L
If there was a bite to leave and she was PM to be fair she would have took us out primarily as she’d have been the dominant party in the house.
Oh yes another fucking foreigner with an anti British agenda. Congrats you twat !I bet your face went bright red and you were breathing though gritted teeth while typing that. A bit like Angry Frank the Harry Enfield character.
In the end perhaps he gets a tad frustrated that you pretend to have some interest In the uk and it’s future yet all you are really interested in is the contribution to the project engineered by your adopted Fatherland.
Just perhaps
How’s the quiz going big ccfc fan?
Oh yes another fucking foreigner with an anti British agenda. Congrats you twat !
Oh yes another fucking foreigner with an anti British agenda. Congrats you twat !
Ah. So she never took any shit from them before so now you find out a reason why she wouldn't have done better than May.
No she wouldn't be taking us out. And she wouldn't have given sovereignty away.
And as you must have answers to questions how about answering them yourself?
Why should we give up on sovereignty just so we can trade?
Yes. But she wouldn't have given her power over to a bunch of nobodies in the EU.
Stuck in the past?
No. You are coming out with pro EU crap. Why should we have to give up sovereignty so we can sell goods? Especially when we buy much more than we sell.
And now twisting of words. Who said access to the single market but not give anything in return?
Ah. So she never took any shit from them before so now you find out a reason why she wouldn't have done better than May.
No she wouldn't be taking us out. And she wouldn't have given sovereignty away.
And as you must have answers to questions how about answering them yourself?
Why should we give up on sovereignty just so we can trade?
So explain why we should lose sovereignty so we can trade. We buy about twice the amount we sell. And it costs us many billions a year to do so.Our exports to the EU is worth £274bn, or 44% of all our exports (as of 2017). We need access to the single market — losing nearly half of your trade would be catastrophic. We also import more than we export, with a trade deficit of -£67bn. Tariffs based trade is therefore, a bad thing for the UK because the EU will get more from tariffs than the we would from the EU.
Free trade agreements involve two, or a group of countries coming together and setting rules between each other. That’s standard for any FTA.
This is quite good, hopefully it enhances your understanding between FTAs and sovereignty.
Free Trade Agreements and Sovereignty - The Permaculture Research Institute
If you agree to the terms of trade, you are letting someone trade with yourself by allowing him some access to your country in return for some access to his country. That is a loss of some control of your country. If you are a member NATO or the UN, or if you have signed the Genera Convention you have also given up some sovereignty. You are trading some of your sovereignty for the benefits of being in a multilateral organisation. It is normal.
NATO requires member states to spend 2% GDP. Let’s #TakeBackControl and Leave NATO. We stand a better chance defending against Russian aggression outside of NATO...
So why should we lose sovereignty just so we can trade with the EU?NATO requires member states to spend 2% GDP. Let’s #TakeBackControl and Leave NATO. We stand a better chance defending against Russian aggression outside of NATO...
So explain why we should lose sovereignty so we can trade. We buy about twice the amount we sell. And it costs us many billions a year to do so.
So that is why we should lose sovereignty so we can trade? Don't be silly.The article explains it pretty well. But let’s say Mucca Mad Boys and Astute are sovereign states. We decide that free trade is in our mutual interest. We set rules for that trade. From eliminating tariffs and trade barriers means we, as sovereign states can’t do certain things that break this FTA.
As for tariffs, keeping with the analogy, let’s suppose MMB and Astute set up 10% tariffs of trade between us. Suppose I buy more off of you than you buy off me, I lose out if we set tariffs on each other. Say I buy £150 goods off of you per year, and you buy £100 off of me. Apply 10% tariffs and I get £110 off of you, but I pay you £165 now. In this scenario, because I buy more off of you I’m actually paying more than I would’ve done if we established free trade. Instead of having a -£50 trade deficit, i now have a -£55 trade deficit. I’m not worse off.
That’s roughly how these things work.
So why should we lose sovereignty just so we can trade with the EU?
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