The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (27 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

Bliar got voted in on promises he didn't keep.

Yes night and day. But the extra money didn't all go to where it should have.

How about poor areas get less money than rich areas?

How school funding works in England - and why it desperately needs reform

Does anyone know how new schools were paid for? Has anyone heard of PPP/PFI? Yes this comes out of the school and education budget. It is the same way new hospitals were built.

True cost of PFI/PPP school builds is revealed

Or how about the continual extortionate costs involved? And all taken out of the education budget and education system.

Hundreds of schools held hostage over PFI contracts, as investigation reveals one paid £2,000 for a new sink

How many MPs send their kids to comprehensives? It’d be interesting to see whether standards improved if private schools were abolished and they had to send their kids to school alongside the plebs.

 

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[Grendel]

How many MPs send their kids to comprehensives? It’d be interesting to see whether standards improved if private schools were abolished and they had to send their kids to school alongside the plebs.

Great idea. Let’s add another £4 billion to the tax bill - actually an estimate on a study on this estimated it would be £14 billion

 

[Sick Boy]

Great idea. Let’s add another £4 billion to the tax bill - actually an estimate on a study on this estimated it would be £14 billion

It’s okay if you have loads of money though, isn’t? Who cares about the rest of society, let the inequality continue, as you’re alright?

Finland did it and it seems to have worked, it would never happen in the UK though, sadly.

Finnish Education Chief: 'We Created a School System Based on Equality' - The Atlantic

It goes to show that we don’t like in a fair or equal society, if you have money then your kids are going to have a better start in life.

 

[Astute]

How many MPs send their kids to comprehensives? It’d be interesting to see whether standards improved if private schools were abolished and they had to send their kids to school alongside the plebs.

Are you asking because Bliar sent his kids to a comprehensive? The one that was oversubscribed by a long way. The one that they didn't even live in the right area for. It was one of the best in the country. And then he also paid for private tuition for his kids.

Thought I would save you waiting for my response before you mentioned his kids went to a state school.

 

[Sick Boy]

Are you asking because Bliar sent his kids to a comprehensive? The one that was oversubscribed by a long way. The one that they didn't even live in the right area for. It was one of the best in the country. And then he also paid for private tuition for his kids.

Thought I would save you waiting for my response before you mentioned his kids went to a state school.

WTF.

What has Blair got to do with that?

 

[Astute]

It’s okay if you have loads of money though, isn’t? Who cares about the rest of society, let the inequality continue, as you’re alright?

Finland did it and it seems to have worked, it would never happen in the UK though, sadly.

Finnish Education Chief: 'We Created a School System Based on Equality' - The Atlantic

It goes to show that we don’t like in a fair or equal society, if you have money then your kids are going to have a better start in life.

Yet you agreed with Shmeeee yet you haven't commented on the details I have supplied.

 

[Astute]

WTF.

What has Blair got to do with that?

He sent his kids to a state school.

But I suppose that doesn't count as I know the details.

 

[Sick Boy]

He sent his kids to a state school.

But I suppose that doesn't count as I know the details.

I know he did but I’m not talking about Blair

 

[Astute]

I know he did but I’m not talking about Blair

So who are you talking about?

 

[Sick Boy]

So who are you talking about?

I’m not talking about anyone, I’m commenting in general.

 

[Grendel]

It’s okay if you have loads of money though, isn’t? Who cares about the rest of society, let the inequality continue, as you’re alright?

Finland did it and it seems to have worked, it would never happen in the UK though, sadly.

Finnish Education Chief: 'We Created a School System Based on Equality' - The Atlantic

It goes to show that we don’t like in a fair or equal society, if you have money then your kids are going to have a better start in life.

Finland has a lower population

The majority of private schools are not occupied by the wealthy classes but by middle classes - there is a huge disproportionately of Asian school children as well.

Socialism is encapsulated by the equality of education myth. Many older generation politicians of course were state educated. Many PMs were.

Since the introduction of a comprehensive system that changed. Inevitably when that happened the standards were dragged down to the lowest common denominator. It’s getting worse. Many parents who send their children to these schools employ, at significant cost, private tutors to enhance performance.

Also, of course, some schools even in the great equality system are unequal - so House prices escalate is some areas while others are left to rot.

Class envy is always a route to disaster.

 

[Astute]

I’m not talking about anyone, I’m commenting in general.

So who was you wanting a reply against? Because that is what you normally ask your loaded questions for.

 

[Grendel]

I’m not talking about anyone, I’m commenting in general.

Dianne Abbott?

 

[Sick Boy]

Finland has a lower population

The majority of private schools are not occupied by the wealthy classes but by middle classes - there is a huge disproportionately of Asian school children as well.

Socialism is encapsulated by the equality of education myth. Many older generation politicians of course were state educated. Many PMs were.

Since the introduction of a comprehensive system that changed. Inevitably when that happened the standards were dragged down to the lowest common denominator. It’s getting worse. Many parents who send their children to these schools employ, at significant cost, private tutors to enhance performance.

Also, of course, some schools even in the great equality system are unequal - so House prices escalate is some areas while others are left to rot.

Class envy is always a route to disaster.

I respectfully disagree.

If private schools were abolished we would inevitably see the standards improve and more money put into education. The profession is a disaster at present and is failing to attract and retain staff, and who can blame them?

More money needs to be put into it and look at how we can improve on both the teaching and working conditions. It’s an incredibly stressful job that doesn’t get the pay or respect it deserves.

Of course the ‘wealthy classes’ send their kids to private schools, to claim that the average middle class kids are going to private schools is also misleading - they’re going to have to have money behind them to go to be taught at schools where it costs several thousand pounds per term.

I went to comprehensives and they were fucking dreadful, both in terms of teaching and personal development.

 

[Sick Boy]

So who was you wanting a reply against? Because that is what you normally ask your loaded questions for.

Zzzz

Not everything is about you, btw

 

[Grendel]

I respectfully disagree.

If private schools were abolished we would inevitably see the standards improve and more money put into education. The profession is a disaster at present and is failing to attract and retain staff, and who can blame them?

Of course the ‘wealthy classes’ send their kids to private schools, to claim that the average middle class kids are going to private schools is also misleading - they’re going to have to have money behind them to go to be taught at schools where it costs several thousand pounds per term.

Many private schools are old grammar schools. Many parents take out extended mortgages to pay for the education they wish to provide for their children through extra borrowing and great sacrifice. You are fixating on a handful of schools in the private sector not the majority.

I know of two single parents in council estates who send their children. Yes they get bursaries but it takes some effort and sacrifice still to achieve it.

No standards would improve. Standards declined as soon as the comprehensive system was introduced and perhaps you’d like to explain where the extra billions would come from.

Class envy is the home of the ignorant and foolish I’m afraid.

 

[Astute]

Zzzz

Not everything is about you, btw

Is this the denial now?

So would you like to explain how it was about me?

 

[Astute]

I respectfully disagree.

If private schools were abolished we would inevitably see the standards improve and more money put into education. The profession is a disaster at present and is failing to attract and retain staff, and who can blame them?

More money needs to be put into it and look at how we can improve on both the teaching and working conditions. It’s an incredibly stressful job that doesn’t get the pay or respect it deserves.

Of course the ‘wealthy classes’ send their kids to private schools, to claim that the average middle class kids are going to private schools is also misleading - they’re going to have to have money behind them to go to be taught at schools where it costs several thousand pounds per term.

I went to comprehensives and they were fucking dreadful, both in terms of teaching and personal development.

Correct. But not in the way you say.

If private schooling was banned as you would like we would have many more children in the state schools. So yes the budget would have to go up.

What else would you like to ban the rich and better off from doing?

 

[Sick Boy]

Many private schools are old grammar schools. Many parents take out extended mortgages to pay for the education they wish to provide for their children through extra borrowing and great sacrifice. You are fixating on a handful of schools in the private sector not the majority.

I know of two single parents in council estates who send their children. Yes they get bursaries but it takes some effort and sacrifice still to achieve it.

No standards would improve. Standards declined as soon as the comprehensive system was introduced and perhaps you’d like to explain where the extra billions would come from.

Class envy is the home of the ignorant and foolish I’m afraid.

No ordinary working parent should have to risk both theirs and their children’s future to fund a decent level of education.

My main focus is on those people who send their kids to schools that cost 10s of thousands of pounds a term. More money and taxes should go into education, it’s essential for the country’s future.

As i said, those able to afford it don’t care about those that can’t and just ignore the mass and growing inequality.

 

[Sick Boy]

Correct. But not in the way you say.

If private schooling was banned as you would like we would have many more children in the state schools. So yes the budget would have to go up.

What else would you like to ban the rich and better off from doing?

You can be assured if those with the money and power had to send their kids to the same schools as the majority the amount of money put into it would inevitably increase and we’d see more schools being built.

 

[Grendel]

Let’s ban private health, let’s ban cars the poor can’t afford, let’s make everyone live in a tenement flat.

Yes it’s the way forward.

 

[Sick Boy]

Let’s ban private health, let’s ban cars the poor can’t afford, let’s make everyone live in a tenement flat.

Yes it’s the way forward.

Where have I mentioned any of those things? It’s not just ‘the poor’ who can’t afford private schooling or healthcare, by the way.

As I’ve said though, those who can afford it don’t give a shit about the rest of the population.

 

[Astute]

Where have I mentioned any of those things? It’s not just ‘the poor’ who can’t afford private schooling or healthcare, by the way.

As I’ve said though, those who can afford it don’t give a shit about the rest of the population.

Is that right?

I have private healthcare. I have used it a lot over the last nearly 3 years. My 17 year old was always on the gifted register. The local private school invited us for a visit. I was happy to pay for my daughter to go there. We would have got a discount as she is the type of pupil they were after. But although she liked the school she wanted to go to our local comprehensive. She wanted to stay with her friends. But the local school isn't classed as being very good.

She has just finished that school. She got the results she needed. She got the A** in the subjects she needed including both English subjects. Yet her school underachieved as usual. I would have wasted money sending her to the private school. It has now been taken over by the government funding. It has gone from excellent to shite. Anybody can go now. That includes the students that don't put the effort in.

I suppose you are now going to say I don't care about those as fortunate as myself although I had to work hard to get where I am. I remember what it is like to have a stack of red letters and paying off the most important as I could afford. I remember what it is like to finish a shift at work and then go to another job without going home to see the family. I remember what it is like to work shifts 20 hours or longer. So yes I have the tee shirt. And it certainly isn't me that calls the poor uneducated or thick just because they didn't vote the same way as I did. I try and consider why they voted the other way. You? You constantly hammer me for doing so.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Is that right?

I have private healthcare. I have used it a lot over the last nearly 3 years. My 17 year old was always on the gifted register. The local private school invited us for a visit. I was happy to pay for my daughter to go there. We would have got a discount as she is the type of pupil they were after. But although she liked the school she wanted to go to our local comprehensive. She wanted to stay with her friends. But the local school isn't classed as being very good.

She has just finished that school. She got the results she needed. She got the A** in the subjects she needed including both English subjects. Yet her school underachieved as usual. I would have wasted money sending her to the private school. It has now been taken over by the government funding. It has gone from excellent to shite. Anybody can go now. That includes the students that don't put the effort in.

I suppose you are now going to say I don't care about those as fortunate as myself although I had to work hard to get where I am. I remember what it is like to have a stack of red letters and paying off the most important as I could afford. I remember what it is like to finish a shift at work and then go to another job without going home to see the family. I remember what it is like to work shifts 20 hours or longer. So yes I have the tee shirt. And it certainly isn't me that calls the poor uneducated or thick just because they didn't vote the same way as I did. I try and consider why they voted the other way. You? You constantly hammer me for doing so.

Not surprised your daughter achieved what she aimed to. Why do you think those who are let down voted the way they did?

 

[Astute]

Not surprised your daughter achieved what she aimed to. Why do you think those who are let down voted the way they did?

As I have constantly said they all have their own reasons. Some valid some not.

Let's start with housing. They are Labour. They won't have a word said against Labour. So they ignore that Labour was in charge before our population went vastly up. They ignore that house building went down at the time our population went up. They see it as the fault of immigration. They blame the Tories. It wasn't the fault of the immigrants and Immigration. But it certainly didn't help matters.

But if you ask them if they would do the same for a better life they either say they would or mainly deny anything.

 

[Sick Boy]

And it certainly isn't me that calls the poor uneducated or thick just because they didn't vote the same way as I did. I try and consider why they voted the other way. You? You constantly hammer me for doing so.

Yet more bollocks spouted.

Plenty of very wealthy people voted for and support Brexit, while there are also working class voters who voted remain and wish to stay in the EU.

You’ve already tried to allude that the rich and wealthy voted remain while attempting to claim that Brighton was an infamous Tory stronghold, that was up there with your nonsense about horses enjoying horse racing.

I’ve also highlighted the massive inequality within our country and the way in which the Midlands and north has been left to rot due to Londoncentic governments.

 

[Sick Boy]

As I have constantly said they all have their own reasons. Some valid some not.

Let's start with housing. They are Labour. They won't have a word said against Labour. So they ignore that Labour was in charge before our population went vastly up. They ignore that house building went down at the time our population went up. They see it as the fault of immigration. They blame the Tories. It wasn't the fault of the immigrants and Immigration. But it certainly didn't help matters.

But if you ask them if they would do the same for a better life they either say they would or mainly deny anything.

Who is this ‘they’ you are referring to?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Who is this ‘they’ you are referring to?

The labour voters who voted with UKIP or conservatives

 

[Sick Boy]

The labour voters who voted with UKIP or conservatives

If they apparently “won’t have a word said against Labour” why would they then vote for another party?

 

[skybluetony176]

Who is this ‘they’ you are referring to?

It sounds like he’s talking about himself.

 

[mrtrench]

If private schools were abolished we would inevitably see the standards improve and more money put into education. The profession is a disaster at present and is failing to attract and retain staff, and who can blame them?

I agree. Increasing class sizes by 7% would dramatically improve standards at state schools.

 

[Astute]

Yet more bollocks spouted.

Plenty of very wealthy people voted for and support Brexit, while there are also working class voters who voted remain and wish to stay in the EU.

You’ve already tried to allude that the rich and wealthy voted remain while attempting to claim that Brighton was an infamous Tory stronghold, that was up there with your nonsense about horses enjoying horse racing.

I’ve also highlighted the massive inequality within our country and the way in which the Midlands and north has been left to rot due to Londoncentic governments.

You need to get a dictionary. Or learn how to use Google. Because you always manage not to understand a word or miss out a word in sentences which changes the meaning altogether. Like 'mainly'. 'Mainly' doesn't mean everyone. But I suppose it is a good way of twisting the truth and making out someone has said what they haven't. And you are good at that.

 

[Astute]

Who is this ‘they’ you are referring to?

They are the voters. But you know this.

 

[Astute]

If they apparently “won’t have a word said against Labour” why would they then vote for another party?

Tony won't have anything said against Labour. But he voted UKIP.

 

[Sick Boy]

I agree. Increasing class sizes by 7% would dramatically improve standards at state schools.

More money put into the education system = more schools and teachers.

Glad to see you’re back posting, hope you’re doing well