Astute
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Was the one made in the UK designed to bypass emissions tests like those built in Germany?
Was the one made in the UK designed to bypass emissions tests like those built in Germany?We are part of the EU and we sell diesel cars. I drive one made in the UK.
Rare but you want one very soon after the last one so you may force a result and then suppress the chance of another one in case you lose the third. Democracy mucca style
Interesting
You hate referendums Mart - now you sound like Hitler
Was the one made in the UK designed to bypass emissions tests like those built in Germany?
It would be undemocratic to ignore a referendum.How would it be undemocratic if the electorate voted against Brexit in another referendum?
It’s not just me, if May’s deal gets rejected about 64% want a second referendum. Seems like it would be undemocratic to just go through with Brexit without a deal.
It’s an oxymoron: ‘undemocratic referendum’
Can ignoring a referendum be counted as democratic?
You hate referendums Mart - now you sound like Hitler
That's the best argument I've heard for a 'May's Deal' or 'No Deal' referendum. Well done.
If the electorate still wanted to leave the EU, then sure, why not have a choice of what kind of Brexit we wanted.
The electorate does. Refer referendum result.
How would it be undemocratic if the electorate voted against Brexit in another referendum?
It’s not just me, if May’s deal gets rejected about 64% want a second referendum. Seems like it would be undemocratic to just go through with Brexit without a deal.
It’s an oxymoron: ‘undemocratic referendum’
The electorate does. Refer referendum result 2016.
<insert dictators name> is not a valid political argument.
Not far off.You are basing public views on 25,000 people not on 85% of the electorate at the last election who supported parties believing we should leave
If the result was remain and then a referendum came down in remain but a week later leave came on top in the polls we need another
You are basing your view on a tiny percentage and on presented with a question that did not even allow the poll participants to consider a no deal option. So it’s hugely skewed - it’s sponsored by a remain group and backed by the remain press
You are basing public views on 25,000 people not on 85% of the electorate at the last election who supported parties believing we should leave
If the result was remain and then a referendum came down in remain but a week later leave came on top in the polls we need another
You are basing your view on a tiny percentage and on presented with a question that did not even allow the poll participants to consider a no deal option. So it’s hugely skewed - it’s sponsored by a remain group and backed by the remain press
What 2% majority are you talking about? Can't think of one.I’m sure people Leave would’ve won the referendum had the electorate known we were headed for a ‘no deal’ Brexit...
... Or May’s deal, which is worst of both worlds, of remaining tied to the EU indefinitely. Without the perks of EU membership, and without the perks of a no deal.
That 2% majority must be very strong.
What good argument is there to not have a second referendum? Anally clinging on to referendum before the details of what Brexit actually looks like isn’t much of an argument.
Not far off.
YouGov use weighted results. They don't give the results as people say. They change them a bit. That is why every poll they have done on Brexit favours remain. They also use the same in favour of the Tories.
Now I await comments from the usual suspects.
Martcov has mentioned him 104 times on this thread old fruit
The EU: In, out, shake it all about....
The poll was carried out by a reputable company.
The parties at the election had other things in their manifestos.
No one knew what May‘s deal was at that time.
Martcov has mentioned him 104 times on this thread old fruit
The EU: In, out, shake it all about....
But you hate referendums anyway don’t you? The poll was commissioned by a biased company
Yes, in reply to you old fruit. Like just now. How many times did you mention Hitler or the fourth Reich?
But you hate referendums anyway don’t you? The poll was commissioned by a biased company
You mentioned Hitler 74 times.
I don’t care who commissioned it. The question was whether it was carried out by a reputable company.
It’s about you Mart. He made a comment to me that you liked yet you’ve said referendum are the devil incarnate and say Hitler and Stalin always used them as democracy.
At least be honest and tell him referendums are in your view undemocratic and the tool of the dictator.
You don’t care. So if the EDL commissioned a poll through them you wouldn’t care.
Interesting
Not far off.
YouGov use weighted results. They don't give the results as people say. They change them a bit. That is why every poll they have done on Brexit favours remain. They also use the same in favour of the Tories.
Now I await comments from the usual suspects.
How many in response to you? Your knowledge of him is.....interesting
Mucca has written an essay so we need to acknowledge his expertise
I acknowledge his attempt at a rational debate on here.
Depends on age, gender,topic and race. For instance there are more women than men in the UK. So they take male votes and female votes then change the full result onpercentages. Something like 2% on average alone on this IIRC. Then they always change towards the Tories as they say some people don't like admitting to voting Tory.....although it is done privately......How much do they change them by?
Depends on age, gender,topic and race. For instance there are more women than men in the UK. So they take male votes and female votes then change the full result onpercentages. Something like 2% on average alone on this IIRC. Then they always change towards the Tories as they say some people don't like admitting to voting Tory.....although it is done privately......
No you acknowledge he agreed with you. You admitted anyone who doesn’t you find irrational.
You’ve sided with a ukip voter who labelled another poster monkey boy (a vile racist slur) and has admitted he’d happily side with a fan of Tommy Robinson as long as he supports your view. Tony is rational in your demented mind.
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