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Acting in the national interest, in fact.
Acting in the national interest, in fact.He’s said that he won’t talk until no deal is off the table. That’s called setting out the foundations for talks.
I do agree that she's getting off rather. Two years... and are we really any further forward?He should be making hay on May wasting 2 years and then making a major boob and wasting another month.
You think so?
I am not at all sure. May has totally ballsed this up.
It wouldn't take a decade to leave if we wanted it that badly. And for starters we would need those running the country to want to leave.Don’t buy it myself, it’s not it like she is a dedicated europhile either and there are plenty of pro-Brexit ministers.
I remember being laughed at on here for suggesting it would take at least a decade for the UK to leave due to the complexity of it all.
‘Project Fear’ was and is done by both sides, as you well know.
As everyone knows I have said that Labour needs a strong leader. They should be well ahead of the Tories. This is the best chance Labour has had since John Smith was leader and Bliar had everything prepared for him after he sadly unexpectedly passed away. A proper politician who had proper plans and put them forward very well. But we are stuck with Corbyn and most probably another Tory government.He’s not playing it brilliantly though. He should be making hay on May wasting 2 years and then making a major boob and wasting another month. Despite wishing to take no deal off the table I am willing to have discussions to see where things are at. I hate that pr is so much a part of this but it really is. Oh well. The saga continues. Social media going mental at May for having a press conference to say nothing at all
Legal matters don't come into it on here. It is only what some on here want and nothing else should be mentioned.So let me get this straight, various politicians want to take a No Deal off the table even though this is currently one of the main incentives for the EU to get a (sensible) deal done ?!
Beggars belief !
My understanding is that from a legal stand point this is also currently not possible. However, from just a logical view....if you can’t agree a deal with someone you don’t get a deal done ie No deal !
Ps Sounds like Corbyn might have to decide whether to whip his party for a second referendum next week, in line with party members wishes (now failed with no confidence). Think he might have to
Which is the way I see it. And staying fully in the EU is much better than the EEA.A theory:
Previously we had no-deal, May's deal and no Brexit on the table. If Corbyn (and the SNP) want to remove no-deal it leaves her deal or no Brexit.
Deep down both May and Corbyn know that no Brexit is electoral suicide, she is desperate for him to come out and back it, and likewise the other way. So that really only leaves her deal.
That won't get through as it stands, however if she was prepared to stay in CU it could get Labour support, enough to get it through and negate the rebellion of Tories.
Unfortunately for May she knows staying in the CU will be the line that tears her party in two.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out... but coming out for remain is the thing either of them will want to do.
What does that tell you about the general public then?A poll out today shows her rating a massive 16 points ahead of Corbyn and the Tories taking a 5 point lead over labour
What does that tell you about the general public then?
She has been a disaster, but they are surely just clinging to the fact she has promised Brexit.
A poll out today shows her rating a massive 16 points ahead of Corbyn and the Tories taking a 5 point lead over labour
What does that tell you about the general public then?
She has been a disaster, but they are surely just clinging to the fact she has promised Brexit.
A poll out today shows her rating a massive 16 points ahead of Corbyn and the Tories taking a 5 point lead over labour
You failed to mention the other poll yesterday that put Labour ahead by 2 points.
In fact every pollster other than Tory You Gov has Labour level or ahead... makes you wonder about the You Gov agenda.
Exactly.
How has she been acting in the national interest when she has been pushing a deal that no-one wants. Not even people in her own party.
She's allowed red lines and everyone else isn't?
Some polls are saying very different things with a few polls having Labour ahead by 1-2%, others having them neck and neck with YouGov having the Tories up by 4%. There's some analysis that suggests Labour would gain around 23 seats from the Conservatives but lose 4 to the SNP in Scotland and the Lib Dems would gain 4 from the Tories - leaving the Tories on about 290 seats and Labour on 280-odd seats. These aren't ironclad by any means since the UK system usually isn't so indecisive and manifestos haven't been published nor campaigning started, but it's an interesting insight.
Theresa May will call an election if she thinks the Tories can regain their majority.
Agreed, the parties are neck and neck in reality (frightening when Tories are in turmoil) but as I mentioned before however much a mess May has made of things in recent months she's consistently polled ahead of Corbyn in the leadership polls. surely that tells you something ?
Bit like yours then.Let’s be honest - your interpretation of outcomes regarding this issue have been to say the least lacking
Historically they have all done it though and it's one thing that puts me off politics.It very much is down to what you perceive as leadership. Some people see leadership as fist shaking, soundbites and fancy suits. Some people see leadership as having a vision of how you will make the country a better place.
Take the election, Labour's manifesto was on how to improve the country, make it fairer. The Tory one had nothing, and their campaign was solely 'don't pick them you'll get chaos'
I know which one I see as real leadership.
OK all. So Corbyn is spot on and should say what will or won't happen before they talk about what happens next.
Some people need to take off their pro EU and pro Labour hats off to see what is going on. We won't be leaving the EU. As I have said all along I don't think May really wants to take us out. She is a remainer. She is sacrificing her political career to make the Tories look the good ones to those who voted out. Project fear is working. And Corbyn hasn't got the brain cells to work it out. He went against his principles to go against May. So he isn't going to get what his principles wanted yet he is going to come out of this not looking good to the floating voters who voted leave. But on the other hand you have May who tried to follow what was voted for who will not be PM and Tory MP's who went against her. This will take votes away from Labour.
I don't know which way we will stay in the EU. You can't make decisions on what you don't know. But I have called just about everything correctly so far. You can't trust a politician. This shitfest has a long way to go yet.
Let’s be honest - your interpretation of outcomes regarding this issue have been to say the least lacking
Agreed, the parties are neck and neck in reality (frightening when Tories are in turmoil) but as I mentioned before however much a mess May has made of things in recent months she's consistently polled ahead of Corbyn in the leadership polls. surely that tells you something ?
Let’s be honest - your interpretation of outcomes regarding this issue have been to say the least lacking
even though this is currently one of the main incentives for the EU to get a (sensible) deal done ?!
Give an example of one lie.Ah so 'destroying' means telling packs of lies in an emphatic way? From a guy who fucked the education system so much even Cameron thought enough was enough.
Cretins like him recycling old Tory smears and bigger cretins like you lapping it up.
How’s that worked out by the way? Presumably the deal must be done with the threat of no deal?
There's an awful lot of MPs I wouldn't buy a used car off for sure, Nick
Serious question.
Do we think there will be "Brexit" and "Remain" firms that will meet up for scraps?
On another note, Corbyn seems like a sly bastard to me. All MPs are but something about him. The sort who would come to save you after being mugged but take your wallet and keys.
Serious question.
Do we think there will be "Brexit" and "Remain" firms that will meet up for scraps?
On another note, Corbyn seems like a sly bastard to me. All MPs are but something about him. The sort who would come to save you after being mugged but take your wallet and keys.
Grendel and Captain Dart do.Historically they have all done it though and it's one thing that puts me off politics.
I don't see of how a policy of they are worse than us is something to be proudly campaigning upon.
The same YouGov that always has remain higher than leave and always higher than any other poll? Yet it is said by some that Labour wants remain and the Tories leave.You failed to mention the other poll yesterday that put Labour ahead by 2 points.
In fact every pollster other than Tory You Gov has Labour level or ahead... makes you wonder about the You Gov agenda.
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