The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (32 Viewers)

Otis · Jan 17, 2019

I know them's the apples, but my daughter tells me pretty much everyone at her school is pretty angry because it is their future that is at stake here. They had a big debate at her school and it was a massive majority that wants to remain.

It's never going to work perfectly of course, because there will always be millions left out of any vote, but she did make a fair point and said that the vote nearly 3 years ago should have included 16 year old's too. 16 is deemed an adult in so many scenario's and any outcome is going to affect them more than most and for an awful lot longer.

Otis · Jan 17, 2019

Johnnythespider said:
Liverish my mom called it, might add him to my death 2019 list

You sure she didn't say licorice and you just misheard?

Johnnythespider · Jan 17, 2019

Otis said:
You sure she didn't say licorice and you just misheard?

I don't think so, although she did once say "it takes all sorts" so you could be right

skybluetony176 · Jan 17, 2019

Otis said:
I know them's the apples, but my daughter tells me pretty much everyone at her school is pretty angry because it is their future that is at stake here. They had a big debate at her school and it was a massive majority that wants to remain.

It's never going to work perfectly of course, because there will always be millions left out of any vote, but she did make a fair point and said that the vote nearly 3 years ago should have included 16 year old's too. 16 is deemed an adult in so many scenario's and any outcome is going to affect them more than most and for an awful lot longer.

I suspect that there’s every chance our children will take us back in. Only with the acceptance of the monetary union known as the Euro. Which ultimately will mean all brexit will achieve is joining the Euro in the most complicated, long winded and damaging way possible.

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
I suspect that there’s every chance our children will take us back in. Only with the acceptance of the monetary union known as the Euro. Which ultimately will mean all brexit will achieve is joining the Euro in the most complicated, long winded and damaging way possible.

It’s quite likely that the EU would refuse as some member states wouldn’t want to go through the hassle again

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Otis said:
I know them's the apples, but my daughter tells me pretty much everyone at her school is pretty angry because it is their future that is at stake here. They had a big debate at her school and it was a massive majority that wants to remain.

It's never going to work perfectly of course, because there will always be millions left out of any vote, but she did make a fair point and said that the vote nearly 3 years ago should have included 16 year old's too. 16 is deemed an adult in so many scenario's and any outcome is going to affect them more than most and for an awful lot longer.

Young people become informed as they grow older and change their minds. The indoctrination of youth is easy

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
Young people become informed as they grow older and change their minds. The indoctrination of youth is easy

Lol

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Lol

So the people in the 60’s revolution all remained hippies did they? It’s ckmmon knowledge there is a migration towards capitalism once they see its benefits

tommydazzle · Jan 17, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
The situation we’re in is more akin to needing a car to drive to work in the morning when there isn’t another car anywhere for sale and the person selling this one and only car knows we need it.

It doesn’t matter how much we use the “we’ll just walk away bluff” brexit by it’s very nature calls that bluff long before we use it. Merely using it weakens our hand because it’s an admission that we’re bereft on any genuine, practical and workable ideas on how to get through the situation we’ve volunteered ourselves for.

I think my point is (and I'm playing devil's advocate here) that it wouldn't be a bluff! Remember hard Brexiteers see a golden future outside the EU. There are other cars out there in their world view. I'm not endorsing this but just observing that it seems a weak hand if you take this view.

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
So the people in the 60’s revolution all remained hippies did they? It’s ckmmon knowledge there is a migration towards capitalism once they see its benefits

What a great arguement that’s really relevant.

That’s weird though, I’m sure you’ve gone out before about the EU being a capitalist club

clint van damme · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
So the people in the 60’s revolution all remained hippies did they? It’s ckmmon knowledge there is a migration towards capitalism once they see its benefits

What's happening in the much of the Western world isn't capitalism.

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Now it seems Mr Cable believes Mr Corbyn and Mrs May are in a conspiracy to play for time and mutually have agreed to engineer a hard Brexit

Johnnythespider · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
Young people become informed as they grow older and change their minds. The indoctrination of youth is easy

This doesn't really stack up does it, the young have grown up in a country that is part of the EU, it's what they know. Older people hanker after the country they grew up in before the EU, i don't think it has anything to do with i indoctrination.

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Johnnythespider said:
This doesn't really stack up does it, the young have grown up in a country that is part of the EU, it's what they know. Older people hanker after the country they grew up in before the EU, i don't think it has anything to do with i indoctrination.

Anyone under 50 has on that basis

martcov · Jan 17, 2019

A humorous Irish slant:
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A NEW study has shown that the majority of Irish people have no fear about the potential impact to the economy in the wake of a No-Deal Brexit, as they are certain they’ll be too busy laughing their arses off at the Brits.

Fears over how Britain’s disorderly exit from the EU will cause chaos at the border with Northern Ireland, as well as mounting unease over multinational firms’ jitters, have been at the front of economists’ minds since the UK voted to fall into a financial and cultural dark age back in 2016.

However, the average Irish person sees Brexit as ‘a bit of a laugh’, and can’t wait to see the look on the faces of British people when the magnitude of their folly is finally unveiled.

“Our close economic ties to the UK are a problem, but our deep-rooted hatred of them is not,” said one Waterford man we spoke to.

“It has been some craic watching them fuck everything up for the last few years, and it’ll only get better when the plug is pulled and the lights go out. Granted, it could mean that I lose my own job in the next twelve months, and then there’s a big aul worldwide recession, acres of unemployment, blah blah blah… but the Brits, though. I can’t wait to see their faces!”

Meanwhile, EU officials have been warned to practice their straight faces for when Brexit hits, to ensure they don’t break down laughing on camera.“

martcov · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
So the people in the 60’s revolution all remained hippies did they? It’s ckmmon knowledge there is a migration towards capitalism once they see its benefits

I‘m 63 and I am convinced we are better off being tolerant and trying to live together in peace. Capitalism is fine... but there has to be some control of it as otherwise the poor get left behind- no profit where there is no buying power. Money is not everything. Leaving the EU will help the few not the many ( I pinched the end of that line ).

skybluetony176 · Jan 17, 2019

Johnnythespider said:
This doesn't really stack up does it, the young have grown up in a country that is part of the EU, it's what they know. Older people hanker after the country they grew up in before the EU, i don't think it has anything to do with i indoctrination.

Don’t be too hard on them, they only want their blue passports back (like they could have had anyway) and bendy bananas back (like they always have been).

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 17, 2019

Johnnythespider said:
Were we right to have the first referendum ? Yes or No

I don’t think so and if it was then it should have been clearer and have needed a higher than 50% win to change the status quo

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Don’t be too hard on them, they only want their blue passports back (like they could have had anyway) and bendy bananas back (like they always have been).

The blue passport myth was priceless and typical of the crap spewed out by the tabloids

Astute · Jan 17, 2019

Johnnythespider said:
This doesn't really stack up does it, the young have grown up in a country that is part of the EU, it's what they know. Older people hanker after the country they grew up in before the EU, i don't think it has anything to do with i indoctrination.

The older people voted to remain in the common market. They then found out about the future plans that became the EU. They were lied to. They know more about politics than those who haven't learned how bad politicians are. They were given the chance to vote leave on something we never had a vote to join.

Astute · Jan 17, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t think so and if it was then it should have been clearer and have needed a higher than 50% win to change the status quo

Wasn't it 52% so higher than 50%

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

martcov said:
I‘m 63 and I am convinced we are better off being tolerant and trying to live together in peace. Capitalism is fine... but there has to be some control of it as otherwise the poor get left behind- no profit where there is no buying power. Money is not everything. Leaving the EU will help the few not the many ( I pinched the end of that line ).

You live in the mostly highly capitalist country in the EU that the whole project was designed to benefit

You are the definition of a cosy right wing capitalist reaping riches at the expense of others.

Ian1779 · Jan 17, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Don’t be too hard on them, they only want their blue passports back (like they could have had anyway) and bendy bananas back (like they always have been).

Bloody foreigners coming over here, staining our passports red... I just want my bananas from Kent before the foreigners eat them all...

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
You live in the mostly highly capitalist country in the EU that the whole project was designed to benefit

You are the definition of a cosy right wing capitalist reaping riches at the expense of others.

...so is capitalism not admirable now?! You seem to be flip-flopping here.

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Sick Boy said:
...so is capitalism not admirable now?! You seem to be flip-flopping here.

No I find it amusing when someone plays the - I’m interested in the general public line - when all he’s interested in is zero interest rates and couldn’t give a fuck about the misery his ghastly Fourth Reich imposes on the debt ridden mess across Southern Europe

Johnnythespider · Jan 17, 2019

Astute said:
The older people voted to remain in the common market. They then found out about the future plans that became the EU. They were lied to. They know more about politics than those who haven't learned how bad politicians are. They were given the chance to vote leave on something we never had a vote to join.

That's not indoctrination though is it, i would agree that the EU of today is very different to the common market.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
Young people become informed as they grow older and change their minds. The indoctrination of youth is easy

By all sides. Maybe they’re more visionary and less cynical and believe in the best version of themselves and others and adults and life beat that out of them

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
By all sides. Maybe they’re more visionary and less cynical and believe in the best version of themselves and others and adults and life beat that out of them

No they are young without experience and ripe for manipulation

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 17, 2019

clint van damme said:
What's happening in the much of the Western world isn't capitalism.

It’s rampant hard capitalism without limits that is offensive to most normal people who’ve not aged enough to not give a shit about needy people in society

Sick Boy · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
No they are young without experience and ripe for manipulation

What utter nonsense.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 17, 2019

Grendel said:
No they are young without experience and ripe for manipulation

We can agree to differ

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Sick Boy said:
What utter nonsense.

So they have experience? You think all those who supported Jeremy Corbyn were aware of his anti Eu agenda?

Grendel · Jan 17, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
We can agree to differ

No we can just agree that I’m right

martcov · Jan 17, 2019

Astute said:
Wasn't it 52% so higher than 50%

50,1% would have won. Which is what he meant.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 17, 2019

Astute said:
Wasn't it 52% so higher than 50%

Yep but I’m thinking 60% it’s normally 2/3 majority and in the Church of England handbook it suggests unanimity lol

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