Saw a fair bit of Lake Garda during one of our pre season games a couple of years ago. My little boy kept needing the toilet during the game. They had portaloos and right behind was the view high up a mountain. If anything better views than back at home.Lake Garda is amazing, haven't been for a few years but stayed in Riva in about 2010.
Did Lake Como last year on the way to Liechtenstein, and finally Basel for the Europa League Final. What a road trip that was. We stopped by near the Anakin Skywalker palace from Star Wars which overlooks the lake and it was stunning.
Saw a fair bit of Lake Garda during one of our pre season games a couple of years ago. My little boy kept needing the toilet during the game. They had portaloos and right behind was the view high up a mountain. If anything better views than back at home.
Tony Blair is in the press today, promising: "Our challenge is to expose, relentlessly, the actual cost....To show how this decision was based on imperfect knowledge, which will now become informed knowledge...To calculate in easy to understand ways how proceeding will cause real damage to the country and its citizens and to build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff's edge.”
I'm very interested to read what he has to say but I'm not holding my breath, as I expect more weasel words and high-level unsubstantiated claims. However if he really does has a reasoned argument I will reconsider and am open to change my mind. I've written to him encouraging him to communicate and presenting my case against. Pointless I'm sure but it's nice to get it off my chest.
If social media is any indication that idiot opening his mouth has made some remainers reconsider their position as they don't want to be on the same side of the argument as him.
I would still be a "Remainer" and don't care what Bliar says. Most of us have moved on though as I live in th real world, not Blair fantasy landIf social media is any indication that idiot opening his mouth has made some remainers reconsider their position as they don't want to be on the same side of the argument as him.
If social media is any indication that idiot opening his mouth has made some remainers reconsider their position as they don't want to be on the same side of the argument as him.
Good post SB.
As you well know, we share a lot of common ground & I agonised for months over which way to vote......
The thing that swayed it for me was the complete blank that cameron drew when attempting to renegotiate with the EU.....possibly down to a lack of conviction, talent or planning....but whilst I recognise the benefits the EU has brought over the years, I can only see trouble ahead as they persist to favour big business over big ideas, banks over citizens, punitive economic policy that bullies states such as Greece, riding roughshod over the democratic wishes of sovereign states in order to prop up an already failed currency......
I believe the EU waters will go from choppy, to a full blown storm within the next decade......
Clearly I didn't vote for any of what happened next......I maybe naively assumed that after the government fell, we may actually have a general election which may have given the nation a chance to reflect, plan & organise.......not just insert some careerist bitch into No. 10 & surround her with opportunists & lickspittles....
you're a good man & I wish you all the best in your new adventure........buona fortuna amico mio
He'll say that he knows better than the rest of us as he has for his entire career.Tony Blair is in the press today, promising: "Our challenge is to expose, relentlessly, the actual cost....To show how this decision was based on imperfect knowledge, which will now become informed knowledge...To calculate in easy to understand ways how proceeding will cause real damage to the country and its citizens and to build support for finding a way out from the present rush over the cliff's edge.”
I'm very interested to read what he has to say but I'm not holding my breath, as I expect more weasel words and high-level unsubstantiated claims. However if he really does has a reasoned argument I will reconsider and am open to change my mind. I've written to him encouraging him to communicate and presenting my case against. Pointless I'm sure but it's nice to get it off my chest.
I'd still vote leave for the reasons jhfc outlines. Forcing Greece (and the others in the so called PIIGS group) into crippling austerity to support irresponsible lending from banks is disgusting. Not that the UK government is much better, at least we have some vestige of control over them.
The debate and the behaviour of the tabloids has been a disgrace. I'm still far more optimistic about my future in Italy compared to post-Brexit Britain.
Appreciate the point by FP but the UK is one of the most unequal societies in Europe and I will always maintain that those to blame have diverted attention away from themselves and toward ordinary working people.
The debate and the behaviour of the tabloids has been a disgrace. I'm still far more optimistic about my future in Italy compared to post-Brexit Britain.
Appreciate the point by FP but the UK is one of the most unequal societies in Europe and I will always maintain that those to blame have diverted attention away from themselves and toward ordinary working people.
There is a theory going round his utterances are timed to screw up the Labour candidate in the Stoke by-election next Thursday thus undermining Corbyn even further.If social media is any indication that idiot opening his mouth has made some remainers reconsider their position as they don't want to be on the same side of the argument as him.
Worst case scenario you would just have to apply for a visa, if you have a legitimate reason to hold the visa it will be granted, your travel will be about as restricted as it would be if you wanted to go to Canada next week.It's actually been a brilliant move by the owners of the tabloid press to divert attention for the social ills in our society towards migrants and the EU. IN the last 10 years since the crash wage growth, in real terms, have been comparable to Greece and massively behind Germany and other countries which have had a far higher proportion of inward migration. It's going to be interesting, to say the least, once we've left the EU and "taken back control" of our borders that the massive inequality and poverty in this country won't have been rectified.
I personally would love to move to the continent, not just because of Brexit, but am doing a course that will last at least the next couple of years and am really worried about the possibility of travel restrictions.
Tony Blair was the king of soundbite politics.He has a point: the quality of debate was terrible. It's just that I don't think he's going to do any better.
Tony Blair lied to parliament to get them to agree to go to war, a war that has not only cost many thousands of lives in the middle east and many lives of British soldiers who where fighting the pointless war, but has been directly responsible for the destabilisation of the middle east, the rise of groups like isis and the influx of people trying to flee into Europe. The knock on effect of which has seen the resurgence of nationalism in Europe.He has a point: the quality of debate was terrible. It's just that I don't think he's going to do any better.
Tony Blair lied to parliament to get them to agree to go to war, a war that has not only cost many thousands of lives in the middle east and many lives of British soldiers who where fighting the pointless war, but has been directly responsible for the destabilisation of the middle east, the rise of groups like isis and the influx of people trying to flee into Europe. The knock on effect of which has seen the resurgence of nationalism in Europe.
I don't care how liberal you are, how far you sit to the left, you will instantly undermine your argument if you support this man as the voice of the remain argument.
What?
I'll listen to whatever anyone has to say and then make my own mind up.
Tony Blair lied to parliament to get them to agree to go to war, a war that has not only cost many thousands of lives in the middle east and many lives of British soldiers who where fighting the pointless war, but has been directly responsible for the destabilisation of the middle east, the rise of groups like isis and the influx of people trying to flee into Europe. The knock on effect of which has seen the resurgence of nationalism in Europe.
I don't care how liberal you are, how far you sit to the left, you will instantly undermine your argument if you support this man as the voice of the remain argument.
You take the argument on its merits, not who is making it.
I don't agree. The remainers tried to make out that those wanted to leave were listening to racists and Boris. Now everyone is allowed to listen to anyone without prejudice?
So would you still be in support if Garry Glitter had made the same statement? You would surely have to take it on the merits of his statement and not judge the person making it?This is such a nonsense argument. I'm no Blair fan, but someone's opinion on one thing doesn't taint all their opinions forever. People can be both massively wrong and massively right on different topics. No-one is making him "the voice of" anything. He's a skilled politician (which frankly is only proven further by the fact that he got an entire country to do something as shit as Iraq), even if he is a massive c**t who started the destruction of the NHS and state education (and Iraq).
You take the argument on its merits, not who is making it.
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