rob9872
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Lol ok - I'm 3/4 through a bottle of wine so there's a chance I might push myself over the line later.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (257 Viewers)
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Sick Boy
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Have you seen how Poland's economy is doing these days?
Sick Boy
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I would have thought you would be all for Scotland gaining independence and taking back control of their own affairs?
I don't think they'll actually 'do a deal with Scotland' but I do think Scotland will vote to leave the UK and then look to join the EEA.
Kingokings204
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Farage was never a banker. So your statement isn't correct I'm afraid
Grendel
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Not well by the look of it. I think net migration will still be our way and not theirs
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Grendel
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Tony did vote for him though.
Sick Boy
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Unsurprisingly, more of them are now going to Germany than the UK.
Kingokings204
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I don't mind people voting for him. But tony like many other get it wrong. He was a commodities broker in metals such as copper and zinc. yes he had a real job before politics. Never understood why people say he was an ex banker probably because it's a lie your read and it sticks and it's in the papers so it must be true. People can vote who they like btw.
He in my opinion is one of the best politicians of our time. Best speaker certainly but he gets labeled with so much crap it's pathetic and embarrassing. Did you watch life stories with piers Morgan? Was just the tip of the iceberg.
He is an absolute arse and can be very condescending and a total prick and I happy to agree also I get all that but I don't accept he is half the things people label him as and accuse him of. Racist. Facist. He isn't. It's just a liberal voter who hates him mainly because he dares to discuss immigration and border controls that liberals don't like. Of course because farage wants border controls he is then racist. What crap. I believe in border controls and no open borders from the eu like it is now. I'm not a racist thank you. They use to ignore farage to start with then they laughed at him and then they fought him and then they lost. As gandhi once said.
25 years to achieve his impossible political dream. Hate him or love him he is the best at what he does.
P.S no I don't think he represents the working class anti elite but then I don't think anyone in politics does especially the meant to be Labour Party.
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Sick Boy
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He was in a coalition which included a far right Italian party in the European parliament. La Lega Nord have openly suggested firing guns at migrants crossing the Med.
The likes of Murdoch and Dacre won the referendum not Farage. It's strange that our country's greatest politician has never actually been a MP.
He is a vile diversive c**t.
skybluetony176
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How did I manage that when he's never stood in my constituency?
Young talented people are flocking to places like Berlin.
I think the net migration is influenced more by Bulgarians and Rumanians at the moment. Many are Roma. In this case Britain is still better.
You are dead right.
Farage is 70s National Front. He used the same propaganda poster style as the Nazis with "breaking point". He lies - like Trump. He is slimy and patronising. He wants UKIP to be much harder and concentrated on immigration - National Front all over again.
No. He isn't a great politician. He tried 7 times to become an MP and failed.
He has targeted the lowest common denominator with Brexit and, unfortunately people- 52% of them- bought it. No just because of his crap party, as he claims, but with Murdoch and Johnson and others beating the anti EU drum.
rob9872
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That's right, we're all thick racists who are incapable of thinking for ourselves. I'm so pleased there are 48% of grounded intelligent and fair people to point it out.
dutchman
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If they did decide to split from the UK I would respect their decision but they wouldn't be taking back control of their own affairs if they remained within the EU.
Kingokings204
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The language you use is perhaps why a lot of people believe the crap they read such as he was an ex banker. To compare farage to 70's national front is pathetic and dangerous. Its just many people's way of shutting down talking about the real issues such as immigration. The same poster was used in newspapers across Europe namely Italy and not a word was said. The term nazi wasn't used in Italian papers. Strange. Maybe they actually want a real debate about it. It was a real picture wasn't it?
Look his politics is the cause a stir and be radical. He represents a small party. If he does what the mp does Douglas carswell and become mainstream they will lose a lot more but I'm a stupid lowest common denominator that bought and voted Brexit. What do I know?
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Kingokings204
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So it's not indepedance then? Simply bizarre
Kingokings204
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That's fine and I respect your opinion. I will say again the guy is an idiot a bit like trump in many ways of course but again he has distanced himself from all far right parties knowing it's not a good idea and even won't back marine le pen this year knowing it's not the best idea when really she has a real chance of winning. But it's easier to compare him with far right Parties as we aren't meant to like him are we?
Never been an mp no and you make a good point but Ukip is a small party especially when he ran the first 6 times. It would be like saying Swansea haven't won a PL title in he first 5 years they have come up. Of course they haven't. Small club with less money and structure than united and Chelsea for example.
He single handedly with ukip got a referendum and changed British politics forever. Getting rid of A British prime minister and U.K. Out of the eu which has always been his life goal in the biggest mandate 17.4m people in British history. It's not bad for a small bloke in a small party. Oh and won a major British election for the first time in over 100 years other than labour and tories.
People can make up their own minds about him and so did 17.4m people vote for him personally no. Some would of voted leave despite farage backing leave knowing full well they hate the guy. As I said hate or love the guy his achievements are unquestionable imo.
dutchman
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Not quite, much of the groundwork was done by his predecessor James Goldsmith who successfully ousted John Major as Prime Minister in 1997:
Referendum Party - Wikipedia
Sick Boy
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...a bit like the UK government's white paper that stated that parliament had always been sovereign?
Kingokings204
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True but i didn't mean literally single handedly.
Grendel
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Not really know.
Also I have to say that I find it extremely amusing that the socialist element in our country are now defending the rights of the second chamber to have their view.
You know, those undemocratic and unelected members of a despised heraldic system.
Grendel
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I think you are reading far too much into that.
If I'm honest I don't know very much about Mr Farage - I would guess he has earnt a sizeable fortune from the gravy train he dispises.
He is I would call a pointy stick politician. His stick has one agenda and he points it all day long at the hapless Westminster drones who make up the faceless government. He dresses in funny clothes and has a silly face. Whether he is or not he has some appeal and a roguish charm.
He's noticeable in a sea of mediocrity. Johnson tries but people see through his attempt in the main,
He's similar to Alex Salmond. One aim one mission and all day pointed his stick at twerps like Cameron and Osborne and eventually bullies them into giving way.
Without him they'd be no Brexit so on this issue he has had a triumphant victory. Despite the accusation he is, as the latest catchphrase puts it, he is "one of the establishment" he is exactly the opposite. He, like salmond, danced around the established Westminster zombies and got his way.
He is a sign of the weak political class really. Thatcher and Blair in his hey day would have squashed him. Now he's squashed the government and has pulled the strings.
He was seriously being considered for a knighthood. That would have at least been amusing.
eastwoodsdustman
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Grendel
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But he's an EU kind of guy so that's fine.
eastwoodsdustman
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The only EU place he shoud be is the Hague. He is the worst kind of vile creature that has ever been in power in this country and people who slag off Farage whilst still lauding Blair really need a reality check.
He and his leech of a wife have creamed multi millions of pounds off his time of tyranny. I hope that they both rot in hell.
chiefdave
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To fix things long term you would need to totally reform our political system and get rid of first past the post. We swing from one extreme to the other. Whenever proportional representation is discussed its claimed to be unworkable as you rarely get an outright winner but to me thats a strength. You never have one party dictating what is happening. It works in other countries so why not here?
At the moment we effectively have a one party system. Even before the boundary reforms given that Scotland, and to a lesser extent Wales, now vote for their own parties it is hard to see Labour ever winning again, even if they weren't determined to self destruct. Then you've got the Lib Dems who have practically disappear after Clegg went back on his work and took them into a coalition.
Kingokings204
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Great post. I don't hate many people but what Blair has done to this country in way of open borders and endless unjustified wars is criminal really. Maybe literally criminal. He really just needs to shut up and go away. He makes brexit look better and better.
Sick Boy
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It's a shame the majority of posters on this thread have consistently failed to condemn the xenophobic attacks that have been going on. I was even accused by one of telling lies about it happening to my partner. Says it all.
Who is going to be next to blame when things don't improve outside of the UK? Migrants who came here in the 70s? Would my family have to put up with the no dogs no blacks no Irish signs again?
Who is going to be next to blame when things don't improve outside of the UK? Migrants who came here in the 70s? Would my family have to put up with the no dogs no blacks no Irish signs again?
SIR ERNIE
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Agree.
The last thing the EU want is another basket case and that's what an independent Scotland would be. If Scotland was an independent country its economy would be even poorer than Greece. But then I don't believe the Scots would ever vote to leave the Union anyway, they would soon realise how dependent they are on the rest of the Union and especially England and who in their right mind would want to JOIN the crumbling EU? Everyone's desperate to get out!
Prior to the referendum the Scots first voted to remain in the UK. That being the case, the fact that a majority of Scots voted remain becomes irrelevant.
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ccfc92
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I bet some people suffered self combustion when trying to cope with war criminal Blair supporting Remain.
If ever there was a better person, for Leave's cause, to oppose Leave, he was it.
ccfc92
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I'm sure it happens, and am absolutely disgusted that it does. There is no need.
However, there are plenty of videos online that show "reverse xenophobic attacks" (I'm not sure what you'd call racism towards white/English people, is there a word for it?)
It was pleasant this afternoon, was out having lunch, and an Asian decent family came in, their two children saw one of their white school friends, and were so happy to see each other. They were around 5-7 years old. Just total non prejudice on both sides. Heartwarming, but sad that not all can behave like that
ccfc92
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I'm not so sure. I'm only 24, and as far as I can remember, I can remember seeing anti-EU car stickers, billboards etc most of my life. I don't think it was "unfortunate" that 52% "bought it". It's been a long time coming, it's just there was never a Leave or Remain vote. I'd hazard a guess that that's why so many turned out to vote, as opposed to a normal election.
The arrogance shown by Cameron, and most of the Remain, was very short sighted IMO. A stronger campaign by Remain, rather than an apathetic "Don't vote for them racists!" would have seen a Remain victory I'd say. Possibly.
Sick Boy
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That's strange, according to the leave campaign Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Turkey were about to join. Which one is it?
What evidence do you have that every other country is desperate to get out? Apart from the Express?