Grendel
Well-Known Member
How much if the press does he own?
Helps when the media treats the Tories with kid gloves on the orders of Mr Murdoch
I am not a tory voter but just shows what a shambles the opposition is if they cant raise their game get the genuine public to vote for them.
Ok. Myth is a good word. Myth is a story to tell a universal truth much like many of the major world religions creation stories. I’d hope if we were friends you could respect my life and Christian beliefs in the same way I respect you and your beliefs in random events affecting life and living well being a consequence of where you were born, your family and friends beliefs , the country you were born in and the age in history and your choices and abilities to work hard and persevere. I believe that Jesus was a real living person and that there is order in this chaos through god. I also believe that a life lived well in community and charity with those around us is possible with or without faith and should be applauded and loved. We are so much better as a people together than apart.
They are calling for a peoples vote, while also refusing by-elections as they no longer represent the party or manifesto they were elected on.I just can't see how they will do it, 7 of them
Most of their PMs have come from exactly the same institutions as Labour in education terms in the last 50 years
Rewrite history all you like but that’s the fact. The only reason there has been an increase with Mr Cameron and The Blair Creature is only due to the absurd grammar educated minister for education to make it a comprehensive cesspit for all but her children and most politicians
Don't think you can underplay the role the media plays in this.I am not a tory voter but just shows what a shambles the opposition is if they cant raise their game get the genuine public to vote for them.
DittoYou seem to be a considerate guy, and I respect you for that. You would probably be good with or without your beliefs. But, I don’t respect your belief, although it’s up to you what you believe.
They are calling for a peoples vote, while also refusing by-elections as they no longer represent the party or manifesto they were elected on.
I am not a tory voter but just shows what a shambles the opposition is if they cant raise their game get the genuine public to vote for them.
Which party has the most public school alumni as MPs? Which party historically has had the most?
Just watched Chuka Unumma on C4 and one point he made that was very interesting is that both the Tories and Labour are parties that are a coalition within themselves. Sounds like there’s some more MP’s from both sides of the house to join them yet. Or not. Either way it sounds like we’re in for a couple of interesting weeks in politics.
In your eyes maybe.Helps when the media treats the Tories with kid gloves on the orders of Mr Murdoch
The law now allows a by-election to be called if sufficient numbers of constituents request it
In your eyes maybe.
The media is constantly having a go at MP's of both sides that prefer to leave the EU.
Then the media is constantly having a go at Labour because of the anti Semitic allegations. Corbyns own MP's are accusing him of not doing enough. Should the media ignore this?
Just watched Chuka Unumma on C4 and one point he made that was very interesting is that both the Tories and Labour are parties that are a coalition within themselves. Sounds like there’s some more MP’s from both sides of the house to join them yet. Or not. Either way it sounds like we’re in for a couple of interesting weeks in politics.
Are you saying that the Tories have a bigger problem with antisemitism than Labour does?You know that the process is controlled by the General Secretary, not the Leader. For someone so knowledgeable you seem to have this blind spot.
You saw the data - 20% of the cases reported were not even Labour members - are you telling me Labour have a bigger problem of anti-Semitsm than the Tories, or on Islamphobia?
In your eyes maybe.
The media is constantly having a go at MP's of both sides that prefer to leave the EU.
Then the media is constantly having a go at Labour because of the anti Semitic allegations. Corbyns own MP's are accusing him of not doing enough. Should the media ignore this?
If ypu don't like it - get off your arse & appeal to your fellow citizens. Ask them to vote for you.Which party has the most public school alumni as MPs? Which party historically has had the most?
Are you saying that the Tories have a bigger problem with antisemitism than Labour does?
Let me guess they do but the media says nothing about the Tories but everything about Labour.....
So what do you know about antisemitism in the Tory party then?
And why do you try and make out that there is nothing Corbyn can do about antisemitism in the Labour party?
Wow... I knew there was some Marxist ideologues, saying they are socialists, using the cloak of Labour to further their political agenda on this site but some of this shit is unbelievable.
Are you saying that the Tories have a bigger problem with antisemitism than Labour does?
Let me guess they do but the media says nothing about the Tories but everything about Labour.....
So what do you know about antisemitism in the Tory party then?
And why do you try and make out that there is nothing Corbyn can do about antisemitism in the Labour party?
In reality - there is probably a balance of anti-semitism across the political spectrum, and the majority of this is down to 2 factors. First of all education - people who are making anti-Semitic comments through a lack of understanding and ignorance. Secondly - in the defence of Palestine, which you would largely attribute to those on the left of politics, which then makes out the problem is bigger in Labour.
The main intervention needs to be in educating people. I would suggest that Corbyn could do more here - in tandem with other political leaders.
I couldn't give two shits how you wish to define the Tories, I hate them. Now, you can say "centre left" as much as you like but that's bullshit, would you like me to explain, with facts, why I know the current Labour party is far closer to a Marxist Ideology than the founding ideology of the labour party (for the urban working man) I don't mind. Ok, I'll start.....John McDonnell quote from last year whilst speaking at a conference “Hello, are you looking forward to having a Marxist in No11?” “Marxism is about the freedom of spirit, the development of life chances, the enhancement of democracy”.This labelling of relatively centre-left politics as Marxism is tiresome. Do you want to move the Tories towards fascism or Nazism too? People need to get a bit of perspective.
I’m a labour man I like chukka
Corbyn went to castle house school in Newport Shropshire a fee paying propriety school in his early years and Mc donnell st Josephs a fee paying college in his early years
In your eyes maybe.
The media is constantly having a go at MP's of both sides that prefer to leave the EU.
Then the media is constantly having a go at Labour because of the anti Semitic allegations. Corbyns own MP's are accusing him of not doing enough. Should the media ignore this?
I’m a Labour man and I can’t fucking stand him. Each to their own I suppose.
He epitomises why People’s Vote will never win, and why leave would win all over again.
I couldn't give two shits how you wish to define the Tories, I hate them. Now, you can say "centre left" as much as you like but that's bullshit, would you like me to explain, with facts, why I know the current Labour party is far closer to a Marxist Ideology than the founding ideology of the labour party (for the urban working man) I don't mind. Ok, I'll start.....John McDonnell quote from last year whilst speaking at a conference “Hello, are you looking forward to having a Marxist in No11?” “Marxism is about the freedom of spirit, the development of life chances, the enhancement of democracy”.
Find me anyone outside Corbyns circle who that doesn’t apply to.
Then find me anyone electable within Corbyns circle.
*Then* find me anyone electable in the Tory party.
This is why a goon like Johnson getting in seriously worries me. When everyone’s dull, people vote for entertainment. See Labour leadership contests, see US election.
I'm think he's going "all in" word on the grapevine is he's goingI’m a labour man I like chukka
Ok, fair enough on McDonnell (I'm not a huge fan). He's also admitted to being influenced by the works of Lenin and Trotsky. Corbyn himself has admitted to not being well read on Marx. Let's remember Marx was a 19th century philosopher, I'm not sure anyone is going to take every word as literal in today's age. There's a huge difference between being influenced by the ideas of someone and having some more moderate policies in common and going to the extreme. All left wing ideologies will have common ground, as all right wing ideologies do. The extremes are what become dangerous where you end up with oppressive dictatorships (on both right and left) which infringe on people's freedom and liberty.
When most play the Marxism card, what they really mean is communism (and mostly Stalinism at that), so apologies if that was not your intention. I get so used to reading BS about how we would become a commumist dictatorship under Corbyn that I become quick to jump on it.
Because that car is very personal to him, it was where the magic happened. Picture......a rainy night in Swindon, early 90's' he (the submissive) ravaged by an angry Diane Abbott, the smell of Hush Puppies, Jumbo cords, juniper oil and mung beans pierces the very fabric of sexuality as we know it. Thrashing against each other like two hermit crabs fighting over an empty Monster Energy can, the deed was done, as the last waltz and chorus played over the medium wave radio. Jez, being a gentleman and unable to drive, gave Diane the eleventy twelve pound she requested for the taxi home.Why does Corbyn have a MK3 astra?
The problem with Corbyn is that so much is unexplained. MP's keep calling him out including my local one. One of the MP's that has just resigned from the Labour party is Jewish and she has made comments about him. If there is a terrorist group he will know those at the top most of the time. He has gone to IRA funerals but not innocent people who got killed by the IRA including children. He refuses to make comments about the deaths of innocent civilians especially children. Go back even further and you have meetings with a Russian spy. Most probably innocent on behalf of Corbyn but still unexplained. Or how about two people who also have links to the IRA being given a leading role in the Labour party?Ok, fair enough on McDonnell (I'm not a huge fan). He's also admitted to being influenced by the works of Lenin and Trotsky. Corbyn himself has admitted to not being well read on Marx. Let's remember Marx was a 19th century philosopher, I'm not sure anyone is going to take every word as literal in today's age. There's a huge difference between being influenced by the ideas of someone and having some more moderate policies in common and going to the extreme. All left wing ideologies will have common ground, as all right wing ideologies do. The extremes are what become dangerous where you end up with oppressive dictatorships (on both right and left) which infringe on people's freedom and liberty.
When most play the Marxism card, what they really mean is communism (and mostly Stalinism at that), so apologies if that was not your intention. I get so used to reading BS about how we would become a commumist dictatorship under Corbyn that I become quick to jump on it.
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