The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (50 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

We’re probably heading toward a general election if more Tories resign the whip, and there’s an indication more could follow.

Another 3 MP’s looking for some consultantcy work after they lose their jobs in the next GE.

 

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[chiefdave]

Meanwhile 3 Torys join TIG.

Odd for tory MPs to be resigning in protest at Corbyns leadership of the Labour party and lack of action over anti-Semitism. Of course it could always be that was total BS and an easy narrative to sell to the media.

 

[Captain Dart]

Odd for tory MPs to be resigning in protest at Corbyns leadership of the Labour party and lack of action over anti-Semitism. Of course it could always be that was total BS and an easy narrative to sell to the media.

They're unhappy about Brexit so are the Labour 8. Cancelling or reversing Brexit is their common agenda.

 

[Ian1779]

They're unhappy about Brexit so are the Labour 8. Cancelling or reversing Brexit is their common agenda.

They are careerists... that’s what they are unhappy about losing. They just want things to stay the same forever... in a world where they make a good life out of doing pretty much nothing.

 

[Nick]

Traiters.

 

[mark82]

We’re probably heading toward a general election if more Tories resign the whip, and there’s an indication more could follow.

4 more would lose the majority, if my calculation is correct. It's a complete fucking mess on all sides.

 

[chiefdave]

They're unhappy about Brexit so are the Labour 8. Cancelling or reversing Brexit is their common agenda.

And of course shows the lack of sensible debate we have in politics at the moment. Those leaving Labour could have just said they were unhappy with Labour moving back to its roots and becoming increasingly left wing and those leaving the Conservatives could have said they were unhappy with the party becoming ever more right wing.

Instead from day one you're getting BS and spin and none of them having the courage to call a by-election and stand for election on their new platform. All while saying for the sake of democracy there should be another vote on Brexit.

Comical really.

Talk of floor walkers today at PMQs, will need to be a lot of them if this new party isn't going to sink without trace at the next election.

 

[Captain Dart]

And of course shows the lack of sensible debate we have in politics at the moment. Those leaving Labour could have just said they were unhappy with Labour moving back to its roots and becoming increasingly left wing and those leaving the Conservatives could have said they were unhappy with the party becoming ever more right wing.

Instead from day one you're getting BS and spin and none of them having the courage to call a by-election and stand for election on their new platform. All while saying for the sake of democracy there should be another vote on Brexit.

Comical really.

Talk of floor walkers today at PMQs, will need to be a lot of them if this new party isn't going to sink without trace at the next election.

There were 28 defectors when the SDP split and what happened to that?

 

[martcov]

He is a mate of Corbyn. Corbyn tried to stop him getting kicked out of the Labour party. Now Corbyn is leader he is back in.

Kind of backs up what a lot of people are saying.

He is a good mate of Wigmore. Birds of a feather...

 

[Captain Dart]

The IG are mostly 2nd referendum campaigners.

 

[Nick]

Talk of floor walkers today at PMQs, will need to be a lot of them if this new party isn't going to sink without trace at the next election.

When these people move seats, do they act like kids who get moved about in classroom and give the finger to those on the other side where they just left?

There is Scope for people in there to be comedy genius if they had it in them.

 

[Astute]

And of course shows the lack of sensible debate we have in politics at the moment. Those leaving Labour could have just said they were unhappy with Labour moving back to its roots and becoming increasingly left wing and those leaving the Conservatives could have said they were unhappy with the party becoming ever more right wing.

Instead from day one you're getting BS and spin and none of them having the courage to call a by-election and stand for election on their new platform. All while saying for the sake of democracy there should be another vote on Brexit.

Comical really.

Talk of floor walkers today at PMQs, will need to be a lot of them if this new party isn't going to sink without trace at the next election.

Is this a long way of saying that there are no problems in the Labour party or with the leadership of Corbyn?

So what do you think of Hatton being welcomed back into the Labour party?

 

[martcov]

And of course shows the lack of sensible debate we have in politics at the moment. Those leaving Labour could have just said they were unhappy with Labour moving back to its roots and becoming increasingly left wing and those leaving the Conservatives could have said they were unhappy with the party becoming ever more right wing.

Instead from day one you're getting BS and spin and none of them having the courage to call a by-election and stand for election on their new platform. All while saying for the sake of democracy there should be another vote on Brexit.

Comical really.

Talk of floor walkers today at PMQs, will need to be a lot of them if this new party isn't going to sink without trace at the next election.

Yes, but the thing is that there is no charismatic leader anywhere in sight who can get up and say „Brexit is a huge mistake, let’s put it back to the people before even more damage is done“. We need someone with balls to pull the Rees Mogg’s and the BoJos apart and wipe the floor with the turdish demagogue Farage. So much BS being exposed on a daily basis. We need someone with balls to call the bastards out.

 

[martcov]

Is this a long way of saying that there are no problems in the Labour party or with the leadership of Corbyn?

So what do you think of Hatton being welcomed back into the Labour party?

What do you think of Belize Wiggy saying he’s a great mate of his and welcoming him back?

 

[martcov]

If what you are insinuating is right why aren't they opening a plant up in an EU country? Why are they closing the Turkish plant?

Now they have free access to the EU they will make everything in Japan. We lose jobs building the cars. EU countries lose jobs making parts and more. Yet I sense a bit of celebrating from you.

What are you on about? I just pointed out that there was no need to give up the benefits of the CU and SM to move to Japan which requires a 6 week delivery time and shipping costs. How does that translate to celebrating? This is a clusterfuck. Nothing for anyone to celebrate.

 

[martcov]

They are careerists... that’s what they are unhappy about losing. They just want things to stay the same forever... in a world where they make a good life out of doing pretty much nothing.

A bit Faragist from you. TBF they are going to take tremendous stick for this. It would be easier for them to keep their mouths shut and let the country drive into a brick wall.

 

[chiefdave]

Is this a long way of saying that there are no problems in the Labour party or with the leadership of Corbyn?

No it isn't, hence why I didn't write that.

So what do you think of Hatton being welcomed back into the Labour party?

To be honest until yesterday I'd never heard of the bloke as he was before my time.

 

[Grendel]

And of course shows the lack of sensible debate we have in politics at the moment. Those leaving Labour could have just said they were unhappy with Labour moving back to its roots and becoming increasingly left wing and those leaving the Conservatives could have said they were unhappy with the party becoming ever more right wing.

Instead from day one you're getting BS and spin and none of them having the courage to call a by-election and stand for election on their new platform. All while saying for the sake of democracy there should be another vote on Brexit.

Comical really.

Talk of floor walkers today at PMQs, will need to be a lot of them if this new party isn't going to sink without trace at the next election.

Soubrey is far more right wing then many in the Tory party

Lol

 

[chiefdave]

Soubrey is far more right wing then many in the Tory party

 

[martcov]

No it isn't, hence why I didn't write that.

To be honest until yesterday I'd never heard of the bloke as he was before my time.

Lucky you. He is an out and out cxxt.

 

[Ian1779]

A bit Faragist from you. TBF they are going to take tremendous stick for this. It would be easier for them to keep their mouths shut and let the country drive into a brick wall.

I don’t need to respond other than politely asking you to examine each of their voting records and then tell me what other conclusion to make from it.

 

[martcov]

I don’t need to respond other than politely asking you to examine each of their voting records and then tell me what other conclusion to make from it.

I meant in the terms of „career politicians“ and not doing anything. I haven’t checked their voting records, but they are sticking their necks out and any easy life will be gone. Which is my point...

 

[martcov]

No it isn't, hence why I didn't write that.

To be honest until yesterday I'd never heard of the bloke as he was before my time.

One thing I learnt from him. He had microphones installed in the waiting room in front of his office. He kept people waiting for his appointments for a long time. They then started talk about any tactics for their meeting with him, which he of course heard. So, when I have appointments with e.g. the tax people and they leave me for a long time with my lawyer, I never talk about business no matter how long we wait. I think he is not the only one who does that trick.

 

[Ian1779]

I meant in the terms of „career politicians“ and not doing anything. I haven’t checked their voting records, but they are sticking their necks out and any easy life will be gone. Which is my point...

Except they are not sticking their necks out... there is zero risk to them in reality.

They will never get re-elected in their existing seats. They may target marginals, but it will be unlikely they will make impact, merely hoover up a combination of anti-Tory or anti-Lab votes, and even that they will share with the LD’s.

However all of this posturing will set them up all in 500K a year ‘consultancy roles’ for life. See Clegg, D Miliband etc.

It’s that easy life that is exactly what will happen.

 

[martcov]

Except they are not sticking their necks out... there is zero risk to them in reality.

They will never get re-elected in their existing seats. They may target marginals, but it will be unlikely they will make impact, merely hoover up a combination of anti-Tory or anti-Lab votes, and even that they will share with the LD’s.

However all of this posturing will set them up all in 500K a year ‘consultancy roles’ for life. See Clegg, D Miliband etc.

It’s that easy life that is exactly what will happen.

Clegg, Millibrand were far more important and know far more. This lot will lose their seats and have to endure endless crap with no guarantee of a cushy outcome. How many are now keeping quiet about Brexit to see how it pans out? It is madness. We basically have to go through with it to see how bad it is because no one has the balls to pull the brakes on.

 

[Ian1779]

Clegg, Millibrand were far more important and know far more. This lot will lose their seats and have to endure endless crap with no guarantee of a cushy outcome. How many are now keeping quiet about Brexit to see how it pans out? It is madness. We basically have to go through with it to see how bad it is because no one has the balls to pull the brakes on.

But still come out of it very comfortable for the rest of their days.

MP’s like this as the ‘face’ of PV/2nd Ref is the reason it’s died on its arse.

 

[martcov]

But still come out of it very comfortable for the rest of their days.

MP’s like this as the ‘face’ of PV/2nd Ref is the reason it’s died on its arse.

Well, I agree that we needed more convincing MPs to get a people‘s vote. We now have to suffer more damage because there isn’t anyone impressive enough to lead.

 

[martcov]

More damage: Aviva to move £9bn worth of assets to Ireland in preparation for no-deal Brexit

 

[Ian1779]

Well, I agree that we needed more convincing MPs to get a people‘s vote. We now have to suffer more damage because there isn’t anyone impressive enough to lead.

Well if nothing confirms the point further... these MP’s want the public to choose now they are fully informed... yet not one will hold a by-election.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Astute]

No it isn't, hence why I didn't write that.

To be honest until yesterday I'd never heard of the bloke as he was before my time.

For those who are old enough to remember him it is a disastrous move for Labour. And an idiotic move by Corbyn as it gives the media yet more ammunition.

 

[ccfc92]

Clegg, Millibrand were far more important and know far more. This lot will lose their seats and have to endure endless crap with no guarantee of a cushy outcome. How many are now keeping quiet about Brexit to see how it pans out? It is madness. We basically have to go through with it to see how bad it is because no one has the balls to pull the brakes on.

To be fair, if we had a strong, united government to lead Brexit negotiations, there wouldn't be any need to pull the brakes on.

IMO of course.

 

[Ian1779]

For those who are old enough to remember him it is a disastrous move for Labour. And an idiotic move by Corbyn as it gives the media yet more ammunition.

On a serious note - do you think that power would lie with Corbyn or a committe?

BTW - I had no idea who Hatton was until yesterday either.

 

[Astute]

On a serious note - do you think that power would lie with Corbyn or a committe?

BTW - I had no idea who Hatton was until yesterday either.

Look at those who have top positions in Labour. Some have been with Corbyn for years including an ex that has seemed nothing but hopeless so far. Hatton? Corbyn tried to reverse the decision to get him ousted from Labour. Over 30 years later Corbyn is the leader of the Labour party and Hatton is back. A massive coincidence?

Those who have left Labour recently have said they don't trust Corbyn and don't like the way he is taking Labour. Is 1+1=2?

 

[martcov]

Well if nothing confirms the point further... these MP’s want the public to choose now they are fully informed... yet not one will hold a by-election.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Yes, but in history virtually no one has done that.

 

[martcov]

On a serious note - do you think that power would lie with Corbyn or a committe?

BTW - I had no idea who Hatton was until yesterday either.

You really want to read up on him. He is a bastxxd.