mrtrench
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The three es. Education education educationMy question was what you would do with our criminals?
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My question was what you would do with our criminals?
Also you need to let the refugees in first to be able deport the bad ones.
Uh? Exactly the same as now. Your question has no relevance to a discussion about immigration.
There are no 'refugees' in Britain, only 'economic migrants'.
I have 7 kids. I am getting old. My older kids are having their own.How do you get that? Old people don't get children, so we don't necessarily have organic growth in the future.
So you see what you want to see. OK.The entire last page of this thread!
How is Le Pen doing for starters?Which politicians?
I have 7 kids. I am getting old. My older kids are having their own.
Read what you have already said as you seem to have forgotten.What has that got to do with Polish, Romanians are Italians?
How is Le Pen doing for starters?
None of my family are in the minority.You are in a minority.
What has that got to do with the question I was asked?Police investigating and having her immunity lifted....
None of my family are in the minority.
As you know I say that people coming to this country is not necessarily a bad thing. But not having any control of who, how many and what skills they bring in is definitely a bad thing.
They are allowed to do it legally whilst our borders are open to anyone in the EU no matter if they want to work or not. Or even whatever their criminal history is. They take up the places for those who need somewhere not just want it.What has that got to do with Polish, Romanians are Italians?
The EU won't allow us to control benefits to newcomers.In the EU free movement works both ways. E.g. a lot of UK retirees like to move to warmer climates. I think controlling who and after how long people receive benefits is enough to reduce the flow of EU benefits tourists. We will miss the EU cleaners, shopworkers, farm workers and EU labour in general when we leave the EU.
As for the rest of the world- where it doesn't work both ways - then I am in agreement. But we need labour if we are to grow.... so I doubt if immigration stops when we leave the EU.
What has that got to do with the question I was asked?
The ill feeling that mass migration has caused through Europe has given racist people a platform. Racist politicians are getting the vote from people who are not racist. They have had enough. But sickboy will tell you that it makes no difference. And that people are just racist. It is bollocks. It is helping scum get votes. But as it doesn't go with the views of the remoaners it supposedly isn't true.
If it stops just one schoolgirl being kidnapped off the street and gang raped, yes.you wish to ban all refugees- who you insist on calling economic migrants- because some may be murderers or sexual offenders.
The EU won't allow us to control benefits to newcomers.
And before you try to say that it isn't true Cameron said before the vote that they were in talks with the EU on changing it. But the comment came straight back that he was lying. But benefits are the least of our problems.
So you say that our older people who move to the EU with their own money is the same as benefit tourists? How did you work that out?
You won't.My view is that people like Le Pen, Farage, Wilders and Petry and co. live from division and blaming the EU for immigration is their main theme - the rest is just flannel.
The ill feeling has been built up by these people for their own ends. Fear, jealousy and inbred suspicion of outsiders has been constantly used by these scum in an attempt to gain power.
Social media and fake news are fueling the fire.
Either you buy the anti EU, anti immigration propaganda, or you don't.
I don't.
If it stops just one schoolgirl being kidnapped off the street and gang raped, yes.
So does Germany run the EU or not?Well Germany want the EU to limit benefits and some on here think Merkel is ruling Europe from Brussels. So it will happen.
You are talking about controlling who has skills etc. to be allowed in.
Older people may have funds, but may live a long time and the funds run out or they require years of medical treatment- at the moment they can move freely without a means test. They are still migrants and may have problems or burocracy after we leave. That is an example of freedoms that we may lose by denying freedoms to others.
You won't.
So open borders like the EU forced on everyone hasn't caused uncontrollable immigration?
Ill feeling of being born here but not being able to have somewhere to live because of overcrowding isn't allowed?
Fake news? Try moving back here and see it for yourself.
So our much lower amount of pensioners leaving here could have more rapists between them than all those people coming to live here?There are more than enough rapists here already, but you seem to accept that as a necessary risk. Do you want to restrict British people emigrating as they may be rapists? Or do you have double standards?
In fact with free movement in and out, we may have a net loss of rapists and therefore the girl in the street may be safer statistically.
Equating refugees to the gang raping of school girls is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.If it stops just one schoolgirl being kidnapped off the street and gang raped, yes.
So does Germany run the EU or not?
Yes I am saying it would be better to have a better skills mix. We need skilled people and we need unskilled people. And leaving the door open to everyone leaves a skills unbalance.
Our pensioners have to come back when their money runs out. Those who come here and don't have money and don't work get benefits. How is that the same?
The same old excuse is about to come out yet again I see.The cheap council housing of my youth in Cov is no longer available. There are more buy to let properties.
The EU did not change housing policies in the U.K.. Yes, the population is growing, but not all problems are caused by EU immigration. There are other migrants and in Cov large numbers of students. Successive governments have not built enough social housing.
But the EU refuse to talk about it as you well know.I never said it was the same - financially. Just in free movement. I said you shouldn't get benefits for a certain length of time and/or residency. Which is what Merkel's government says - and what Cameron wanted. If Britain was still taking part, we would get it sooner rather than later.
So our much lower amount of pensioners leaving here could have more rapists between them than all those people coming to live here?
Please remind me to keep my kids away from pensioners and point them in the direction of the gangs hanging around in most cities these days.
Equating refugees to the gang raping of school girls is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.
None of you who are happy for us to take our fare share while also reducing immigration via a points system want to condemn this?
Equating refugees to the gang raping of school girls is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed of yourself.
They are allowed to do it legally whilst our borders are open to anyone in the EU no matter if they want to work or not. Or even whatever their criminal history is. They take up the places for those who need somewhere not just want it.
If I went to live somewhere else I would make sure I had the money to survive. I would make sure that I had somewhere to live. It isn't happening with thousands of people coming here. And before you try and twist the truth many can't find somewhere to live as there are already countless homeless as we have a severe housing shortage. Yet some try to say that we should still keep our borders open and make the situation worse.
How is Le Pen doing for starters?
The cheap council housing of my youth in Cov is no longer available. There are more buy to let properties.
The EU did not change housing policies in the U.K.. Yes, the population is growing, but not all problems are caused by EU immigration. There are other migrants and in Cov large numbers of students. Successive governments have not built enough social housing.
The same old excuse is about to come out yet again I see.
These houses are lived in. There would still be a massive housing shortage if the Tories hadn't sold off the housing stock. The main difference is people have to rent off private landlords instead of councils. The houses never got demolished so stop using it as an excuse.
And your solution to the shortage of social housing is to give the limited number of homes which are available to newly arrived families from overseas?
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