This is a problem. The EEC has mutated from a free trade organisation into the EU. The EU is not what people signed up to.
Genuinely do not get this view that EU responsible for certain types of standard like workers, environment, hygiene. No evidence to suggest British govts of any political hue are incapable of creating such legislation of their own. We can change govts every 5 years to ensure we get the legislation we need.
It's become an elitist view from Brussels (not necessarily from European govts) that only they can create proper legislation.
The problem with Brexit is that once a decision was made to leave people/politicians etc. did not get together to put forward a unified response from Parliament to the EU.
Remainers seem to to think if a 2nd referendum is held that everyone will get behind the outcome. Hasn't happened with the 1st one. Sure Brussels does not want a large number of hostile MEPs arriving if UK is forced to field candidates in summer elections.
I'm an expat now and apart from a few countries like Germany there is a lot of concern at the way control is being centralised in many areas govts didn't sign up to.
I feel like the UK has endured worse than leaving the European Union.IMO a second referendum is the only way out of this disaster.
If leave wins again, then god help the UK. Personally, I think it would be the end of the UK.
Whilst there are concerns, there are also EU elections every 5 years. The EU council is composed of people who stand for elections every few years. The EU doesn’t replace countries own government for law making. Countries are not restricted to minimum standards, but having minimum standards creates a more equal Europe. The EU is about creating a Europe without wars and where all Europeans have protected minimum rights.
I feel like the UK has endured worse than leaving the European Union.
Now they are not going to influence a referendum, so maybe this time their assesment is more realistic. Apropos experts, I see JLR are introducing a three day week for a short time. No doubt nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit. More Brexit bluster, and strategic scaremongering.
You tried to blame the JLR problems on Brexit. You said you didn't. But the quote from CVD shows that you blamed Brexit on JLR problems. Would you like more quotes?I didn’t blame everything on Brexit. I don’t accept that it has nothing to do with Brexit.
You tried to blame the JLR problems on Brexit. You said you didn't. But the quote from CVD shows that you blamed Brexit on JLR problems. Would you like more quotes?
So where have I said you blame everything on Brexit?
You tried to blame the JLR problems on Brexit. You said you didn't. But the quote from CVD shows that you blamed Brexit on JLR problems. Would you like more quotes?
So where have I said you blame everything on Brexit?
Flounce?Back from your flounce?
No but a kick in the bollocks does not mean 'the end' of either the UK or in fact your bollocks.I’ve endured worse than a kick in the bollocks. I’m still not joining a queue for a kick in bollocks though.
No but a kick in the bollocks does not mean 'the end' of either the UK or in fact your bollocks.
It was originally Ralf Speth who said that the three day week and other things happening at JLR had something to do with Brexit.
Good for Ralf. Please also put doctor before his name. One could say it’s an excuse for his own abysmal failings of course - I guess we will have to see what the ultimate judgment is on that
NoAnyone think that Mays deal will go through now that no deal is off the table?
You tried to blame the JLR problems on Brexit. You said you didn't. But the quote from CVD shows that you blamed Brexit on JLR problems. Would you like more quotes?
So where have I said you blame everything on Brexit?
Flounce?
As I said was bored waiting for the kids and wife to get up. Made the mistake of looking at this thread. Saw lots of insults then the usual false information.
Isn't it amazing how you pick someone up straight away at the slightest insult or the slightest misinformation if they don't agree with everything you say but if they agree with everything you say you don't mind them constantly swearing, big insults and massive misinformation (And this is being polite)
Then some call it a debate.
Anyone think that Mays deal will go through now that no deal is off the table?
Good for Ralf. Please also put doctor before his name. One could say it’s an excuse for his own abysmal failings of course - I guess we will have to see what the ultimate judgment is on that
Flounce?
As I said was bored waiting for the kids and wife to get up. Made the mistake of looking at this thread. Saw lots of insults then the usual false information.
Isn't it amazing how you pick someone up straight away at the slightest insult or the slightest misinformation if they don't agree with everything you say but if they agree with everything you say you don't mind them constantly swearing, big insults and massive misinformation (And this is being polite)
Then some call it a debate.
Brexit as such has not floundered. The lack of a clear plan that satisfies enough vested parties has failed.No. People‘s vote is the only way to see what the country now wants. Brexit has floundered.
Slip and slide. Did May learn her trade from you?I’ve been sworn at and abused by leavers and I don’t remember you saying anything, weird that.
No. People‘s vote is the only way to see what the country now wants. Brexit has floundered.
So what is left?
Ever been called a c**t or a wanker on here ?I’ve been sworn at and abused by leavers and I don’t remember you saying anything, weird that.
Brexit as such has not floundered. The lack of a clear plan that satisfies enough vested parties has failed.
Still nowhere near a parliamentary majority for a 2nd referendum.
If you think now is a mess the battle (if there was a 2nd referendum) would be far uglier and more divisive then anything we've seen before in British politics.
Qualify that No by saying deal won't go through by March 31st.So what is left?
Mays deal or no deal? Not now.
The EU doesn't look to want to offer anything. So no other deal is on the table. So all that is on the table is the May deal. To extend article 50 every leader in the EU must agree. It just takes one to say no for no extension to happen. Not leaving without a deal isn't a legal entity. But they won't go against it willingly.
So while May is MP I can't see anything else happening.
So what is left?
Mays deal or no deal? Not now.
The EU doesn't look to want to offer anything. So no other deal is on the table. So all that is on the table is the May deal. To extend article 50 every leader in the EU must agree. It just takes one to say no for no extension to happen. Not leaving without a deal isn't a legal entity. But they won't go against it willingly.
So while May is MP I can't see anything else happening.
Deliberately so
Absolutely no evidence for these types of remain statements. As incendiary as some of the pro Brexit rhetoric.You may be right that it will be ugly, but crashing the country and putting ourselves at the mercy of the USA is a worse scenario. Every country now knows that we are a distressed trading partner. Farage‘s bullshit about „our friends speak English“ ended with the comment „utter bollocks“ from Australia.
That is what Brexit has turned out to be. No tangible benefits, but plenty of potential problems. Utter bollocks.
No extension then puts a no deal brexit back on the table.The EU will only extend article 50 if there is a purpose. People‘s vote would get an extension.
Absolutely no evidence for these types of remain statements. As incendiary as some of the pro Brexit rhetoric.
No one can make such sweeping statements. No matter what type of Brexit there may be there is no solid evidence of what type of trade deals would happen with Britain and the EU, USA or other trade blocks.
All sides exploiting and misleading people.
There will be trade deals and other deals in areas of mutual interest.
There will be no crashing out. No deal was never an option just a theoretical bargaining tool.
There probably will be an organised Brexit. It will cause pain on all sides but as always with trade it will smooth itself out.
No extension then puts a no deal brexit back on the table.
An extension until EU elections or even the EU Parliament reconvening possible. A 2nd referendum is unlikely to get an extension for 2 reasons. 1 the legal time requirements it takes for a referendum and that does not include any legal challenges to holding a 2nd referendum.
2 still no absolute guarantee how a 2nd referendum would go and also whether it would be the final one
It is looking like the ERG may win.
Unless an act of parliament is passed by 28th March to enforce a deal of sorts and revise the current legislation Brexit will occur without a formal deal.
If you believe the scare stories you may wish to stock up on loo rolls, get lots of tinned food and scream at your Doctor for a longer prescription.
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