There will be no people's vote unless its either no deal or treason mays deal
But here is the problem I have.
I need us to stay in the EU. But I respected the result. I wasn't a part of the side who won the referendum. Just like each time the Tories get voted in.
A precedent would be set. If we get a vote on anything they fuck about for a few years without implementing what we have voted for so they get the chance to get the result they wanted first time.
I think my preferred ending to this would be for us to leave the EU but for close ties to remain that are as close as possible to what we have now. But even this isn't a good result for anyone. It just seems the best compromise.
With top bantz like remoaners, it's no surprise.And even with this embarrassing walk, the leave campaign still beat the remaoners
See how Corbyn gets on with his meeting with the opposition. They may put pressure on him to do something together. I think the size of the people’s vote march may show the level of support for a new referendum. It will be hard to deny the support if it is even bigger than the last one.
With top bantz like remoaners, it's no surprise.
Wouldn't call it bantz, more along the lines of annoying moaners that can't get their own wayWith top bantz like remoaners, it's no surprise.
Well at the moment that's the extremist righties, upset that vacuous statements such as Brexit means Brexit are utterly pointless, and worried that their bizarre crusade to thumb a nose at those slightly iffy foreigners across the chanel may not actually happen.Wouldn't call it bantz, more along the lines of annoying moaners that can't get their own way
God help us if he was to ever become PM
Jezza wants to leave the EUI don’t think he will. His failure to commit to a people’s vote in a definitive way is prolonging the agony. The opportunity is there to unite most of the Labour Party and the opposition, including maybe Tory defectors behind a people’s vote. UKIP has become a right wing islamophobe party, and Farage has become an embarrassment for leave with his poorly planned and executed „march“. It is a metaphore of his „Brexit“. Far from showing why we should Brexit, it shows the lunacy of following populists. The ERG is another embarrassment for many responsible Tories. Someone else in labour will probably take the reins IMO.
Many of these "responsible" Tories are inevitably going not to make it through the next general election as their local associations don't reselect them.I don’t think he will. His failure to commit to a people’s vote in a definitive way is prolonging the agony. The opportunity is there to unite most of the Labour Party and the opposition, including maybe Tory defectors behind a people’s vote. UKIP has become a right wing islamophobe party, and Farage has become an embarrassment for leave with his poorly planned and executed „march“. It is a metaphore of his „Brexit“. Far from showing why we should Brexit, it shows the lunacy of following populists. The ERG is another embarrassment for many responsible Tories. Someone else in labour will probably take the reins IMO.
FWIW, I find this a very insidious movement in both parties. If an MP was popular enough to be elected, they ought to be allowed the opportunity to defend their seat, at least, unless they've gone full-on mental and/or illegal.Many of these "responsible" Tories are inevitably going not to make it through the next general election as their local associations don't reselect them.
I don’t think he will. His failure to commit to a people’s vote in a definitive way is prolonging the agony. The opportunity is there to unite most of the Labour Party and the opposition, including maybe Tory defectors behind a people’s vote. UKIP has become a right wing islamophobe party, and Farage has become an embarrassment for leave with his poorly planned and executed „march“. It is a metaphore of his „Brexit“. Far from showing why we should Brexit, it shows the lunacy of following populists. The ERG is another embarrassment for many responsible Tories. Someone else in labour will probably take the reins IMO.
same principle - if it's about free votes why are Labour threatening to enforce the whip on a 2nd referendum.Why do you keep saying peoples vote? Perhaps you’d like to explain why the Lib Dem’s did yet failed so badly in the last election - most labour MPs are against this
Wouldn't call it bantz, more along the lines of annoying moaners that can't get their own way
Well at the moment that's the extremist righties, upset that vacuous statements such as Brexit means Brexit are utterly pointless, and worried that their bizarre crusade to thumb a nose at those slightly iffy foreigners across the chanel may not actually happen.
They seem surprised that, after demanding parliament reclaims its power, that parliament doesn't agree with their mentalist vision of the future. They seem surprised that democracy involves finding a ground that more than a minority believe in, a ground that more than a minority will benefit from. They seem amazed that, when throwing away stupid lines like remoaners, they meet an equal and opposite response.
They are the simple, the stupid, the mad. God help us if this flaccid minority ever takes over.
problem with this is, Brexit aside, too few politicians will break the whip on other big issues. perhaps the key is to abolish the respective whip offices.FWIW, I find this a very insidious movement in both parties. If an MP was popular enough to be elected, they ought to be allowed the opportunity to defend their seat, at least, unless they've gone full-on mental and/or illegal.
Not having identical views across each party is what keeps the debate healthy, and ensures parliament isn't utterly meaningless other than for automatically passing the government of the day's laws.
But here is the problem I have.
I need us to stay in the EU. But I respected the result. I wasn't a part of the side who won the referendum. Just like each time the Tories get voted in.
A precedent would be set. If we get a vote on anything they fuck about for a few years without implementing what we have voted for so they get the chance to get the result they wanted first time.
I think my preferred ending to this would be for us to leave the EU but for close ties to remain that are as close as possible to what we have now. But even this isn't a good result for anyone. It just seems the best compromise.
Remember this? I voted leave btw no second referendum or extension we leave on 29th of this month,Why can’t remoaners get their heads round it?
No deal please
So what do you think will happen,There is 3 countries that will vote against an extension.Errr...no we won’t leave on the 29th.
There was also no talk of no deal in the run up to the referendum
So what do you think will happen,There is 3 countries that will vote against an extension.
Poland,Hungary and Italy it only needs one of those!!
This is a flawed argument. Most MPs across countless parliaments have been all for staying in the EU. Even if we discount the last election as honouring the referendum result, then how about the one before the referendum? The one before that? Are we saying people voted in pro-EU MPs because they were pro EU? If so, why is a referendum democracy, but those numerous votes aren't?Perhaps you’d like to explain why the Lib Dem’s did yet failed so badly in the last election
Agree entirely. Frankly it makes a mockery of 'taking back control', and also democracy, when our upper chamber and head of state are totally unelected.Also as far as insidious goes it's time to remove/reform the undemocratic House of Lords.
remoaners
Hungary won't (i'm here atm)So what do you think will happen,There is 3 countries that will vote against an extension.
Poland,Hungary and Italy it only needs one of those!!
Didn't the two main parties say in their manifesto's they'd respect the vote?Fcuking snakes!!!This is a flawed argument. Most MPs across countless parliaments have been all for staying in the EU. Even if we discount the last election as honouring the referendum result, then how about the one before the referendum? The one before that? Are we saying people voted in pro-EU MPs because they were pro EU? If so, why is a referendum democracy, but those numerous votes aren't?
General Elections, of course, are on more than one policy. The Lib Dems have still not (will they ever?) regained trust for falling in with the Tories and betraying many of their voters.
But you knew that.
what they said they would respect the vote but didn't say how they'd do it.Didn't the two main parties say in their manifesto's they'd respect the vote?Fcuking snakes!!!
Quite frankly, the idiocy was rushing off straight after the vote. What they should have done (IMNSHO!) is said they respected the vote as the view of the people, and used it to speak to the EU about concerns. Some could have been sorted automatically (immigration etc. We just don't do as much as we can to stop it anyway. We don't use the powers we have inside the EU!), and the negotiating hand of a lost referendum may have helped get some concessions from the EU. If it didn't... then opinion would have hardened against it as an entity, anyway. We could also have discussed what would happen on the event of us leaving.what they said they would respect the vote but didn't say how they'd do it.
Even now Corbyn trying to rally support for a Norway agreement. So still wants to go just not in the same way other factions do.
Probably because they want our money!!!there won't be a solitary veto - it would only happen if one of the mini-blocks like Visegrad voted as a group.
Remember this? I voted leave btw no second referendum or extension we leave on 29th of this month,Why can’t remoaners get their heads round it?
No deal please
I think we will leave with no deal which I want they've had enough time 3 years to get a decent deal.
Be interesting to see if a week on Friday at 22.30 and nothing is sorted,The BBC will be having kittens!!!:happy:
Probably because they want our money!!!
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